For the context of this thread, WhatsApp and Signal are both American.

Just look to the federal United States government using it for communicating military strikes, and including journalists.

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dmantis 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But it doesn't make Signal bad. If Americans blindly process our messages without knowing what's inside, it's worse than not depending on them, but better than showing your private correspondence to somebody.

At least we don't seem to have things which are close by UX and security at the same time.

Simplex is fine, but still feels a bit raw.

Everything else is either untrustworthy because of the closed code or no e2e encryption or custom encryption schemes (WhatsApp, Telegram, any Asian messenger) or unusable from UX perspective (Tox, Matrix).

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immibis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Simplex is a project by a fervent COVID conspiracy theorist FYI. (Evidence: his Twitter page)

	▲	clates 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Wouldn't that lend it credibility if your concern was privacy?

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palata 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For the context of this thread, it's infinitely better to depend on Signal than to depend on WhatsApp.