I wonder how much of that is due to dealers, who want to upsell. Do they even keep the base model in stock, or does it have to be special ordered (or today, we can give you a "discount" on the fancy model that still has a higher profit margin for us).

I'm just speculating; the same reasoning wouldn't apply to the iPhone mini. But car dealers have a lot of incentive to skew the results. It takes a fair bit of willpower to say "I am buying this specific car I want and will go elsewhere if I can't have it."

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tanjtanjtanj a day ago | parent | next [-]

Just as an anecdote - When I was buying my last car I went in and asked for just the base model with nothing added onto it, ie not even the "eXtra Special" designations, and the dealership said they probably won't have any for a long time and if I'd like to pay 50% more for one with some features added on.

I declined and kept looking at the inventory of the 4-5 dealerships nearest to me. For six months they never had a single base model.

I started looking at another maker and they seemed to have base models that just wouldn't sell, stuck on lots for that same time period.

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Aurornis a day ago | parent [-]

> and the dealership said they probably won't have any for a long time

In my case, I told the dealerships I was okay with waiting up to two years to get the exact trim I wanted. I told them whichever dealership could get me an allocation first got the sale. Then I literally stood up to leave.

And like magic, they went to the computer and found the exact trim I wanted and got my allocation a month out. I was extremely picky on color and options, though. If I had been flexible on color it would have been sooner.

The sales people at dealerships will pressure you into upsells. They’re not going to turn down an easy sale if you demonstrate that you know what you’re doing. They were trying to upsell you.

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nandomrumber a day ago | parent | next [-]

>> When I was buying my last car I went in and asked

> In my case, I told

Exactly.

When you’re paying, you don’t ask, you tell.

This is what I want, and this is what I’ll pay.

Don’t get me started on fucking real estate agents either. Parasites. Real estate sells itself. Conveyancers / Solicitors do all the real work, and typically charge a set fee. Real estate agents typically charge a percentage and they literally don’t do anything.

The sales folk at a car dealership aren’t there to help you.

There is literally no situation bad enough that a car sales agent or real estate agent can’t make worse. Incapacitated pilot? Fucking useless. Need a dental cavity filled? Fucking useless. Got a problem with your Goggomobil? fucking useless.

Packing peanuts are more effective at their claimed benefits than car sales agents and real estate agents are at theirs.

	▲	MobiusHorizons 21 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Sometimes real estate agents do a lot. Anecdote of course, but my real estate agent spent a few hours basically every weekend with us for like 2-3 months as we toured 25 houses, went over ~10 inspection reports, and made 3-4 offers. And he and his team got roughly 20k. In a better housing market I think they do a lot less, but I know ours did a lot of work.

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tanjtanjtanj 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That seems unlikely as I literally left and did not buy a car with more options and stayed in contact afterwards but I have seen that technique before where they suddenly "find" one in inventory after they realize you aren't going to take the option that gives them more comission.

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Aurornis a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Anecdotally: I helped someone look for a cheap car recently and the base models are everywhere on my local lots. YMMV and I'm sure someone will respond that their area doesn't have any, but in my recent experience it wasn't hard to find a base model at all.

It's driven by consumer demand: If you can pay $30/month on your 5-year loan and get heated seats and a nicer navigation system, that's $1/day for 5 years and then you own it. It's easy to talk yourself into stepping up to something nicer that you're going to use every day.

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graemep a day ago | parent [-]

I suspect you are right that this is linked to how much time people spend in their cars.

I am quite happy with a cheap car because I do not use it everyday, and even when I do the majority of my journeys are short ones (15 to 20 min).

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jfengel a day ago | parent [-]

I really wish there were an even cheaper car for that use case. Perhaps billed as a second car for families, where one is used just for commuting and errands, and the other is the general purpose one with a longer range. Say, with an 80 mile battery, two seats, and under $10k.

I gather that they exist in China and might be allowed into the US. I'd buy one.

	▲	seec 4 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Same. Something like the Citroen AMI but with better range and speed, probably slighty bigger and around 10K. I doubt it's going to happen because that would kill a large part of the market : every familly that needs 2 cars just because they go to work to different places but would only use a single car for the heavy duty or long range needs. At the start it would be a hard sell for many because of social status but overtime people end up voting with their wallet, so it could work. But that would be a pretty bad deal for the industry, so they'll only turn to that if they can't sell anything else. Nowadays even the smallest cars starts around 20k, which is absurd and it even affect the second hand market because cars maintain their value better thanks to this pricing.
	▲	nandomrumber a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I was hoping secondhand Nisan Leaf’s would fit those criteria by now. The Nissan Leaf’s biggest problem is it’s the only vehicle in its class worth considering, or available at all, so secondhand ones are sold at whatever the market will bear. There’s the Prius, but whoever is responsible for its styling will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.