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Alupis a day ago

You do when the fine is more than double your annual revenue in the foreign nation, has international and geopolitical implications, impacts many other US businesses, could harm foreign relations, and will harm regular US citizens.

That's exactly the type of thing the Executive Branch is supposed to deal with.

oytis a day ago | parent | next [-]

Executive branch is supposed to deal with other countries' laws and courts? Does it also hold for European executive branches and American laws? I don't want to even imagine a world that works like this.

fc417fc802 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Does it also hold for European executive branches and American laws?

Yes, if a US law is overreaching and directly impacting people in the EU. That is literally how the world works in practice so I'm not sure what to tell you.

oytis 12 hours ago | parent [-]

CLOUD act is overreaching and impacting people in the EU. What EU governments are doing is avoiding US-based cloud services for critical applications, because it's an US law, not a European one

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adastra22 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s called diplomacy.

flumpcakes 18 hours ago | parent [-]

"I don't like your laws, and we're bigger!"

nozzlegear 13 hours ago | parent [-]

You're just describing the concept of realpolitik. This is how the world works.

Pedro_Ribeiro a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do people not understand that companies on this scale are geopolitically important?

oaiey a day ago | parent | next [-]

Thank they should act like it and respect the laws of the countries.

If you run to the US executive to assert US understanding of law onto other countries you are geopolitical important, however, as a tool for the US national interest not as a true international company. A true international company would serve their customers in their legal systems. Fight the laws there, try to make them better, but don't strongarm them with other country forces. They are a sovereign country.

pavon a day ago | parent | next [-]

When a country is trying to impose extra-territorial laws, then it goes beyond enforcing their sovereignty, and it is completely reasonable for the affected to request diplomatic intervention.

itsyonas 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Surely I don't need to point out the irony of complaining to the US government about another country wanting to impose extraterritorial laws?

oytis 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be nice if we had an international agreement on how to apply sovereignity on the internet without infinging on sovereignity of other countries. US would be in a great position to initiate this if the current administration had any understanding of what "international agreement", "sovereignity" or "other countries" means.

oaiey 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well the law is surely addressing European/Italian citizens and business. If you serve them from the US and target Italians for financial gain, you are no longer extraterritorial because you operate there as a business.

croes 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You mean like the US with it's sanctions that prevent European countries getting payments per credit card or Paypal when they sell Cuban products?

Hamuko 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Has Trump considered bombing Italy and kidnapping Meloni yet?

ta9000 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Italy should have no right to take a website off the internet globally, which from what I’ve read this allows them to do. That’s insane.

oaiey 8 hours ago | parent [-]

They have all right to sanction or restrict a company which has a legal footprint in their territory.

When you are incorporating as a company in a country you are subject to their laws. Period. If that includes rules how you act worldwide, than that is a part of it.

Do not get me wrong, restricting free speech or apply IP law outside your territory is IMHO not right for a country to do.

Quothling 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would Italy pick Cloudflare over Bunny.net or even CDNetworks if Cloudflare can't follow their laws? Today US tech products sell well in Europe because of the past 80 years of positive relationships. So Cloudflare is the obvious choice over CDNetworks, but for how long will it be like that?

dandellion a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe that's the way it is in the US, because the country is run by corporations. But in the rest of the world we don't operate like that.

tag2103 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Italians obviously don't

croes 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Geopolitical important companies are a bad thing. Imagine the company being an Iranian or North Korean company.

That's one countries leverage against another countries laws.

oytis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, that's an argument for making them respect your country's laws or banning them from your country if they don't want to.

jacquesm a day ago | parent | prev [-]

They're not.

oaiey a day ago | parent | prev [-]

When the risks are too high, then exit the market. When you do business in a market, adhere to the laws there.

It is however the business of governments to foster harmonized (globalized) markets. But the US has killed so many regulations and collaborations in the last year, that there is little hope that this will improve any time soon. They do not want globalization anymore but American first. Reactions of other countries will be higher fines, more regulation and higher entry barriers.

stinkbeetle a day ago | parent [-]

> When the risks are too high, then exit the market. When you do business in a market, adhere to the laws there.

And when you want help to improve your terms of trade, you can petition your government to assist.

> It is however the business of governments to foster harmonized (globalized) markets.

It is the business of governments to further the interests and wishes of their people.

> But the US has killed so many regulations and collaborations in the last year, that there is little hope that this will improve any time soon.

Is Italy's actions here fostering "harmonized (globalized) markets", I wonder?

> They do not want globalization anymore but American first.

If globalization is what Americans want, then that is what their government should be accommodating. If it's not, then the government should not.

Even if "the experts" think something is right or wrong, even if some economic factor or other might objectively improve with a particular policy, it should be up to the people to decide. Self-determination is one of the most fundamental human rights there is, too often ignored by the ruling class.