| ▲ | cubefox a day ago |
| If the German filters only apply to ISPs in Germany, they have no effect on users in foreign countries. Moreover, Cloudflare is obviously not an ISP. |
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| ▲ | riffraff a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| the filters the Italian authorities complain about also only apply in italy. It's likely a process thing, Italy has had website bans since forever, but the new regulation applies _without going through a judge_. Some copyright holders can say "this website is infringing" and ISPs, CDNs etc.. are required to shut them down immediately. A similar system was introduced in Spain, with the same problems, for the same reason (football $$$). EDIT: to be clear, CF argues that they need to block the DNS globally, and that's unreasonable. The Italian authority argues that they have the skills to do a local block and are just being uncooperative. |
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| ▲ | Root_Denied a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > EDIT: to be clear, CF argues that they need to block the DNS globally, and that's unreasonable. The Italian authority argues that they have the skills to do a local block and are just being uncooperative. Similar to the UK's attempt to try and get noncompliant sites like Imgur and 4chan to block themselves from serving content to UK locations, I think the responsibility for country-wide blocks lies with the country attempting to regulate the space, not CDNs or websites. I don't doubt that Italy is correct that CF has the technical ability do a local block like they're asking for, but I also don't see how CF is in any way (legally) compelled to do so. Whether or not Italy (or any country) is capable of doing so, or paying contractors for an appropriate solution, isn't CF's problem either. | | |
| ▲ | wmf a day ago | parent [-] | | The difference is that Imgur/4chan have no presence in the UK but Cloudflare has servers and probably a sales office in Italy. Cloudflare does have to follow Italian law within Italy. Either Cloudflare can block pirate sites or ISPs will completely block Cloudflare (as seen in Spain). Which way do you prefer? |
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| ▲ | blibble a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The Italian authority argues that they have the skills to do a local block they certainly do, they have the source IP and their platform lets them geolocate an ip |
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| ▲ | bflesch a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do you think the Italian bureaucrats really want to ban something in France or Germany? The Cloudflare CEO is clearly misinterpreting something that was lost in translation, which is the bureaucrats stating "Cloudflare must prevent access to XY from everywhere". For bureaucrats "everywhere" means "in my jurisdiction". I cannot believe that the Cloudflare CEO is trying to nitpick around a single word that he so clearly misinterprets. |
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| ▲ | tick_tock_tick a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > Do you think the Italian bureaucrats really want to ban something in France or Germany? Yes 100% they absolutely do. | |
| ▲ | cubefox a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | bflesch a day ago | parent | next [-] | | No, in fact I think most in US tech are awfully ignorant about Europe. That's why I explicitly brought it up. Just because we Europeans can speak your language doesn't mean that people from the US understand how our countries work. And most US tech companies are located in Ireland in a small US expat bubble. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox a day ago | parent [-] | | You are presumably also not an Italian, so I don't know why you would know more about Italy than he just because you are European. I'm also European, and I certainly don't thereby know more about Italy than about, say, the US. |
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| ▲ | monsieurbanana a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or he perfectly understands what they meant but chose to create artificial outrage. "don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" has not aged well in 2026 |
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| ▲ | nkmnz a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm pretty sure Cloudflare is an ISP according to German law ("Diensteanbieter" according to DDG). You might confuse "ISP" with the terminology of "Access Provider" according to the (now defunct) §8 TMG. |
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| ▲ | cubefox 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | If that were true, sci-hub.se would be blocked in Germany on 1.1.1.1 (1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com), it isn't blocked, therefore it's not true. (Modus tollens) | | |
| ▲ | nkmnz 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Your reasoning is impeccable, bravo. But it's wrong. Both your premise and your conclusion are based on completely wrong assumptions. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not sure which premise you disagree with, but the conclusion follows from them. | | |
| ▲ | nkmnz 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am a Service Provider ("Diensteanbieter") according to DDG and I don't block a single page, which makes your statement not only wrong, but rather so wrong that not even the complete opposite would make any sense. |
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