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tartoran a day ago

One phone for banking and another one for browsing.

drnick1 a day ago | parent | next [-]

This is what will happen sooner or later. One cheap, non-rooted, Googled Android phone at home for 2FA and other official nonsense, powered off when not in use.

All other business, including personal communications, conducted on a GrapheneOS device. These days you don't even need a phone number for your everyday device, a data-only roaming plan like silent.link is enough. This is not yet necessary in the U.S., but we are dangerously close.

ycuser2 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Easier said than done. You have to maintain two phones then (updates, keeping charged). You don't want to carry two phones around. Also you have to have two SIM cards/telephone numbers which costs money.

Aleklart a day ago | parent [-]

don’t need sim card on second one it is even more secure that way it is very common to have different phones for people who work with money transfers (including crypto)

BizarroLand a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah, if you need network on the secondary, then tether it to the primary, lol.

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elric a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You jest, but an actual "digital wallet" device is something I'd quite like to see. Something that's actually secure (like not running an ancient android version that never sees security updates). That only deals with money, without any garbage running on it. That displays and verifies the amount before processing any contactless payments. That supports multiple banks, multiple bank accounts, multiple payment cards etc.

I utterly detest the idea of having to use a phone for anything that I'd like to be secure. I browse Reddig on that thing. I watch porn on that thing, I don't want my porn anywhere near my bank account.

lucb1e a day ago | parent [-]

> without any garbage running on it

That sounds like a utopia we've passed by on our way here. Maybe it's possible to make such a dedicated hardware device when the digital wallet becomes available for a (mobile) linux distribution or a degoogled android. Let's see when the phone manufacturers think that's a good idea to lobby for

I'm cynical about the whole digital wallet idea because of this. Not that it's not useful, but it's tying your mobile surveillance unit and browser history to an identity on hardware that you are not meant to control

rixthefox a day ago | parent | prev [-]

In this economy? /s

The other more compelling reason why people would have a rooted phone is to run ROMs that may still be providing OS support where the stock OS has been abandoned or EOL'd by the developer.

Having an unlocked bootloader at the minimum would be required in those scenarios. It actually saves hardware that still works from ending up in landfills.

edit: spelling

roughly a day ago | parent | next [-]

The first time I walked past a homeless person on a smart phone it took a minute to process - phones are effectively free at this point.

(The first time I walked past a homeless person using a VR headset, on the other hand, was a fucking trip.)

SketchySeaBeast a day ago | parent [-]

That sounds like a Silicon Valley bit.

roughly a day ago | parent [-]

That show didn’t hit Black Mirror levels of existentially uncomfortable, but man, I recognized too many of those scenes.

bsimpson a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I have a cache of old devices, largely the freebies Google gave out at I/O in the early days of Android. Was prepping them to sell last week and saw most are running Cyanogen (the first big community Android fork). Even then, root was a popular way to gain more functionality and add features that haven't been released for a device.

Incidentally, if anyone wants some collector's edition Google/Android devices...

zozbot234 a day ago | parent [-]

> Incidentally, if anyone wants some collector's edition Google/Android devices...

Please get in touch with the postmarketOS folks, since any phone old enough to be running CyanogenMod proper is most likely not supported there yet. (It would be super nice to even have a proper list of all devices where old CyanogenMod was officially supported at some point, with device specs for each. We're lacking even that at present because the transition from the CyanogenMod name to LineageOS was so messy.)

Of course, the combination of extremely limited hardware specs (512MB RAM + 512MB built-in storage was a common spec), old ARM32 SoCs and the ongoing 3G/2G mobile network phaseout means that many such devices will only really be useful as glorified palmtops or for even more minimal uses. But it might be worth experimenting with nonetheless.