Ah, the "then you are doing it wrong" defence.

Also, you have to learn it right now, because otherwise it will be too late and you will be outdated, even though it is improving very fast allegedly.

▲ marcosdumay 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

TBF, there are lots of tools that work great but most people just can't use.

I personally can't use agentic coding, and I'm reasonably convinced the problem is not with me. But it's not something you can completely dismiss.

▲ bodge5000 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Also, you have to learn it right now, because otherwise it will be too late and you will be outdated, even though it is improving very fast allegedly.

This in general is a really weird behaviour that I come across a lot, I can't really explain it. For example, I use Python quite a lot and really like it. There are plenty of people who don't like Python, and I might disagree with them, but I'm not gonna push them to use it ("or else..."), because why would I care? Meanwhile, I'm often told I MUST start using AI ("or else..."), manual programming is dead, etc... Often by people who aren't exactly saying it kindly, which kind of throws out the "I'm just saying it out of concern for you" argument.

▲ andrekandre 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

  > I MUST start using AI ("or else...")

fear of missing out, and maybe also a bit of religious-esque fever...

tech is weird, we have so many hype-cycles, big-data, web3, nfts, blockchain (i once had an acquaintance who quit his job to study blockchain cause soon "everything will be built on it"), and now "ai"... all have usefulness there but it gets blown out of proportion imo

	▲	bonesss 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Nerd circles are in no way immune to fashion, and often contain a strong orthodoxy (IMO driven by cognitive dissonance caused by the humbling complexity of the world). Cargo cults, where people reflexively shout slogans and truisms, even when misapplied. Lots of people who’ve heard a pithy framing waiting for any excuse to hammer it into a conversation for self glorification. Not critical humble thinkers, per se. Hype and trends appeal to young insecure men, it gives them a way to create identity and a sense of belonging. MS and Oracle and the rest are happy to feed into it (cert mills, default examples that assume huge running subscriptions), even as they get eaten up by it on occasion.

▲ duskdozer a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah. It sounds like those pitches letting you in on the secret trick to tons of passive income.

▲ jimbo808 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That one's my favorite. You can't defend against it, it just shuts down the conversation. Odds are, you aren't doing it wrong. These people are usually suffering from Dunning Kruger at best, or they're paid shills/bots at worst.

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neal_jones 2 days ago | parent [-]

Best part of being dumb is thinking you’re smart. Best part of being smart is knowing you’re smart. Just don’t be in the iq range where you know you’re dumb.

	▲	tonyedgecombe a day ago \| parent [-]
		The smartest people I know are full of doubt.

▲ llmslave2 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People say it takes at least 6 months to learn how to use LLM's effectively, while at the same time the field is rapidly changing so fast, while at the same time Agents were useless until Opus 4.5.

Which is it lol.

	▲	wakawaka28 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I used it with practically zero preparation. If you've got a clue then it's fairly obvious what you need to do. You could focus on meta stuff like finding out what it is good or bad at, but that can be done along the way.

▲ Terr_ 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If you had negative results using anything more than 3 days old, then it's your fault, your results mean nothing because they've improved since then. /s