| ▲ | filoleg a day ago |
| > "Bose blows" is a popular comment amongst the audiophile community but, to me, it seems like they don't blow at all[0] That comment is not wrong, you are imo just not making an important distinction that the criteria on which audiophiles judge Bose as “blowing” (which is almost purely the sound profile + a few other smaller things like physical comfort/connectivity/price/etc.) vs. what you judge it on (which is more in the long-term technical user/community product support, idk how to describe that area much better) are almost entirely disjoint. It is perfectly fine and valid for an audio product to “blow” from an opinionated audiophile perspective, while being exceptionally great from the long-term product/user/community product support perspective. I heavily agree with you btw, Bose should be heavily lauded for making a decision to open-up their speaker firmware after it reaches the official end of support deadline. The fact that this is an exceptional practice is imo, a little bit sad, because I believe that it should be way more common. |
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| ▲ | PaulHoule a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Build quality of Bose products is good in my opinion. The headphones are alright but so are Sony, Plantronics and Apple. I love the sound of Airpods Pro in particular even if they don't want to stay in my ears [1] and the pairing experience even with the iPhone isn't what I expect of >$100 headphones in 2016. If you want really good stereo or 5.1 sound there is no substitute for big speakers that can move a lot of air. [1] maybe it is that gene polymorphism that makes my ears overflow with wax and has my doctor warning they will plug up one of these days |
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| ▲ | filoleg a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Agreed on pretty much all points. There is no "ultimate audio equipment piece" that is just perfect in all aspects, and the choice criteria are spread across both user preferences and specific use-cases as well. I love the new airpods pro for my daily commute (subway, not a car; just clarifying before I get hammered down in replies for driving and using airpods at the same time), doubly so given their compactness+heavily improved ANC. For home, I love my open-back Beyerdynamic DT1990Pro pair, due to the audio profile + insanely good physical comfort when worn for prolonged periods of time. For gatherings with friends for when I need a somewhat-portable bluetooth speaker (that also happen to look good when sitting on a bookshelf outside of active use), I have a TE-OB4. If I had a larger living space, I would consider getting a pair of high-quality speakers again too. But there is not a single "this is it" piece of audio equipment that would just replace everything, so you gotta pick and choose your poison. | |
| ▲ | mike50 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Build quality is trash consumer with a hefty markup. The older CD player era equipment has the cheapest CD mechanisms I've ever seen for the era. The audio pathway is the same hybrids that everyone else uses. Bose is 100% mass marketing. I'm old enough to remember the endless ads in the back of magazines. | | |
| ▲ | com2kid a day ago | parent [-] | | Until the rest of the market caught up, Bose's noise cancelling algorithms were top notch. As soon as Apple entered the fray a bunch of money was thrown at the problem, the bar was raised, and now good quality noise cancelling is the norm. But for awhile Bose's headphones had the best noise cancelling out there. Their old ads were super irritating though, and many people (such as you and me!) are still irritated about them decades later. | | |
| ▲ | filoleg a day ago | parent [-] | | > Until the rest of the market caught up, Bose's noise cancelling algorithms were top notch. As soon as Apple entered the fray a bunch of money was thrown at the problem, the bar was raised, and now good quality noise cancelling is the norm. A minor nitpick: while Apple entering the ANC arena certainly set fire under the existing mainstream brands to improve their ANC headphones, imo Bose started facing serious competition on that front even before Apple moved in. I remember Sony releasing their MDR-1000X par being the first crack in the wall. I specifically remember this, because I picked up those headphones in favor of Bose options at the time. P.S. Yes, the naming scheme on Sony's side is atrocious, because MDR-1000X is the first gen of their very popular WH-1000XM line of ANC headphones that people treat as a flagship ANC headphone pair (with the most recent one being WH-1000XM6). | | |
| ▲ | com2kid a day ago | parent [-] | | I had forgotten about Sony. They were indeed going back and forth with Bose on who could make the highest quality ANC. I actually had a pair of Sennheiser noise cancelling headphones and they had a really good BT implementation, super low latency and the ANC was really good. Sadly they developed a persistent hiss in one earpiece. |
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| ▲ | eikenberry a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bose is fine for what it is, but it is overpriced for what it is. IMO the main point the audiophiles make is that you can get a superior product for the same cost. | |
| ▲ | tstrimple a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you haven't tried foam replacement tips, they make a world of difference for me. I couldn't use the airpods (non-pro) at all. I could barely use the silicon tipped pros. But when I put a foam tip on them it not only blocks out ambient sound better, they stay in place. Unfortunately the foam wears out rather quickly and I replace them around three times a year. | | |
| ▲ | PaulHoule 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To be fair I'm pretty satisfied with the AirPod fit situation if I am sitting at my computer where the noise reduction is handy when the guy across the hall for me at the office is talking up a storm administering contracts and when my son is practicing guitar scales upstairs at home. They don't fall out often and when they do I'm not worried about losing them. Out in public is different. (1) It's a pet peeve of mine that people are wearing them and oblivious to warnings about environmental threats or sitting in a machine at the gym for 20 minutes doing nothing looking at their phone and hard to get in contact with. (2) I am doing a practice that increases sensory awareness when I "go out" and listening to music with noise canceling isn't compatible with that. | | |
| ▲ | tstrimple 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I tend to use transparency mode when in public but still want to pay attention. Even with the foam tips, you can hear clearly then. |
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| ▲ | astrange a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sedna CrystalEarFit worked the best for me on older AirPods. Pure foam tips have a noticeably different sound profile. On the newest ones, the tips have a foam core inside them. |
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| ▲ | jacquesm a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The audiophile community usually are people with more money than ears, their opinion on the quality of particular brands is easy to discard, it is usually correlated more with expense than actual measured performance. |
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| ▲ | timc3 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Except from what I remember Bose audio stuff is measurable bad by any standards (its been a while since I even took note). Their noise cancelling was good in the past though. My personal experience of Bose PA and HiFi equipment is that is belongs in the trash. |
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| ▲ | bayindirh a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Came here to say exactly this. I consider myself an audiophile (the sane kind) and, if I want “that sound” and have time, I use my HiFi, but if I want to enjoy music and just relax, I use my Bose headphones with whatever thing I have close. I like how they color sound, and how they use psychoacoustics to do what they do. Audiophiles using music to listen their systems are missing the point. |
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| ▲ | RajT88 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > The fact that this is an exceptional practice is imo, a little bit sad, because I believe that it should be way more common. If we gave tax breaks for open sourcing EOL products, we'd see a lot more of it. Code escrow companies might not like it, though. |
