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weird_trousers 2 days ago

Finally companies understand that consumers do not want AI products, but just better, stronger, and cheaper products.

Unfortunately investors are not ready to hear that yet...

ashleyn 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

If the AI-based product is suitable for purpose (whatever "for purpose" may mean), then it doesn't need to be marketed first and foremost as "AI". This strikes me as pandering more to investors than consumers, and even signaling that you don't value the consumers you sell to, or that you regard the company's stock as more of the product than the actual product.

I can see a trend of companies continuing to use AI, but instead portraying it to consumers as "advanced search", "nondeterministic analysis", "context-aware completion", etc - the things you'd actually find useful that AI does very well.

PunchyHamster 2 days ago | parent [-]

It's basically being used as "see, we keep up with the times" label, as there is plenty of propaganda that basically goes "move entirely to using AI for everything or you're obsolete"

m000 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem is that there are virtually no off-the-shelf local AI applications. So they're trying to sell us expensive hardware with no software that takes advantage of it.

ehnto 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes it's a surprising marketing angle. What are they expecting people to run on these machines? Do they expect your average joe to pop into the terminal and boot up ollama?

Anyone technical enough to jump into local AI usage can probably see through the hardware fluff, and will just get whatever laptop has the right amount of VRAM.

They are just hoping to catch the trend chasers out, selling them hardware they won't use, confusing it as a requirement for using ChatGPT in the browser.

janalsncm a day ago | parent [-]

To be fair Ollama does have a GUI.

lugu a day ago | parent [-]

There is also https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/built-in.

neilsimp1 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with you, and I don't want anything related to the current AI craze in my life, at all.

But when I come on HN and see people posting about AI IDEs and vibe coding and everything, I'm led to believe that there are developers that like this sort of thing.

I cannot explain this.

afavour 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I see using AI for coding as a little different. I'm producing something that is designed for a machine to consume and react to. Code is the means by which I express my aims to the machine. With AI there's an extra layer of machine that transforms my written aims into a language any machine can understand. I'm still ambivalent about it, I'm proud of my code. I like to know it inside out. Surrendering all that feels alien to me. But it's also undeniable that AI has sped up a bunch of the boring grunt work I have to do in projects. You can write, say, an OpenAPI spec, some tests and tell the AI to do the rest. It's very, very far from perfect but it remains very useful.

But the fact remains that I'm producing something for a machine to consume. When I see people using AI to e.g. write e-mails for them that's where I object: that's communication intended for humans. When you fob that off onto a machine something important is lost.

nottorp 2 days ago | parent [-]

> I like to know it inside out. Surrendering all that feels alien to me.

It's okay, you'll just forget you were ever able to know your code :)

CamperBob2 a day ago | parent [-]

I've already forgotten most assembly languages I ever used. I look forward to forgetting C++.

nottorp a day ago | parent [-]

Last part is very common, but what's wrong with assembly languages?

But I wasn't talking about forgetting one language or another, i was talking about forgetting to program completely.

CamperBob2 a day ago | parent [-]

Nothing at all wrong with assembly languages. I just don't need them anymore.

add-sub-mul-div 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Partly it's these people all trying to make money selling AI tools to each other, and partly there's a lot of people who want to take shortcuts to learning and productivity without thinking or caring about long term consequences, and AI offers that.

nottorp a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The "AI" gold rush pays a lot. So they're trying to present themselves as "AI" experts so they can demand those "AI" gold rush salaries.

CamperBob2 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I cannot explain this.

That usually means you're missing something, not that everyone else is.

kevinh 2 days ago | parent [-]

Sometimes, but I didn't get sucked into the crypto/blockchain/NFT hype and feel like that was the right call in hindsight.

yeasku a day ago | parent [-]

HN had many phases, crypto, js frameworks, the cloud...

The guy coding in C++ still has a great job, he didnt miss anything, is all fucking FOMO.

jimbokun a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you develop software you can’t be as productive without an LLM as a competitor or coworker can be with one.

SturgeonsLaw a day ago | parent | next [-]

If you have the right soft skills, productivity is decoupled from career advancement

yeasku a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I am the most productive in my team, by far, 2 promotions in 1 year.

I never use LLMs

RevEng 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even as a principal software developer and someone who is skeptical and exhausted with the AI hype, AI IDEs can be useful. The rule I give to my coworkers is: use it where you know what to write but want to save time doing it. Unit tests are great for this. Quick demos and test benches are great. Boilerplate and glue are great for this. There are lots of places where trivial, mind-numbing work can be done quickly and effortlessly with an AI. These are cases where it's actually making life better for the developer, not replacing their expertise.

I've also had luck with it helping with debugging. It has the knowledge of the entire Internet and it can quickly add tracing and run debugging. It has helped me find some nasty interactions that I had no idea were a thing.

AI certainly has some advantages in certain use cases, that's why we have been using AI/ML for decades. The latest wave of models bring even more possibilities. But of course, it also brings a lot of potential for abuse and a lot of hype. I, too, all quite sick of it all and can't wait for the bubble to burst so we can get back to building effective tools instead of making wild claims for investors.

brailsafe a day ago | parent [-]

I think you've captured how I feel about it too. If I try to go beyond the scopes you've described, with Cursor in my case and a variety of models, I often end up wasting time unless it's a purely exploratory request.

"This package has been removed, grep for string X and update every reference in the entire codebase" is a great conservative task; easy to review the results, and I basically know what it should be doing and definitely don't want to do it.

"Here's an ambiguous error, what could be the cause?" sometimes comes up with nonsense, but sometimes actually works.

walterbell 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.alphanome.ai/post/talking-your-book-the-controve...

blibble 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> I'm led to believe that there are developers that like this sort of thing.

this is their aim, along with rabbiting on about "inevitability"

once you drop out of the SF/tech-oligarch bubble the advocacy drops off

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