US looked like the next stage of humanity, if you are ambitious you go to USA. Anyone can become American and didn't feel like betrayal to the country or the people who raised you. Whatever you achieve in USA it will be available to all the humanity.

Fast forward to mid 2020s, now USA feels like old style European country that is rich as f and about to go through stages of great suffering to eventually become a nation. It's not even like Dubai or something, its straight out time travel. You don't go to USA to be treated fairly and climb to the top in a meritocratic system anymore, its all about race, identity and paperwork now. It looks like a shitty European country, why would you go to a shitty European country? You can have that experience at home in most places in the world and you don't have to suffer the part of being far away from your friends and family. I'm sure a lot of people will still go to USA but their profiles will be different.

IMHO the predominant feeling towards USA is disappointment, not even anger. It wasn't supposed to end up like that.

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phs318u a day ago | parent | next [-]

I agree with your points about how the USA used to be viewed globally, and that the predominant feeling is disappointment (or in my case, sadness).

However, your characterisation of European countries as “shitty” is unfair IMO. I’m reminded of the saying “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other ones). Europe is FAR from perfect, but the long arc of history factors large in their politics and humanistic predilections (relative to other countries that is). They have living memory to just how devastating divisions on the continent can be. So yes, the EU may be the shittiest form of government... except for all those other ones (acknowledging that this paraphrase only makes sense if your values are similar).

	▲	mrtksn a day ago \| parent [-]
		Sorry, I should have written it more clearly. What I ment by a "shitty European country" was in the context of pre-democracy, something like fast developing country that sees lots of advancement in science and technology but the population suffers greatly due to inequalities and lack of rights or regulations against unfair labor practices. This used to be the case of UK for example. It's also the case for many developing countries today.

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sph a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> shitty European country

I wish the crumbling of the empire will bring some humility to one of the most entitled and ignorant-about-the-world culture that ever had the chance to rule the world. Jesus, some of your comments are insufferable and it’s hard to feel pity for whatever is going on over there.

Also, the USA has stopped being the land of the free in the mid 70s for the rest of the world, but it’s clear that within your borders your post-war propaganda is still very effective to this day.

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HaZeust 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

"We live in an era of fraud in America. Not just in banking, but in government, education, religion, food, even baseball... What bothers me isn't that fraud is not nice. Or that fraud is mean. For fifteen thousand years, fraud and short sighted thinking have never, ever worked. Not once. Eventually you get caught, things go south. When the hell did we forget all that? I thought we were better than this, I really did."

- Steve Eisman, 2008