Rampant abuse, fraud, nepotistic hiring combined with record high tech unemployment to start.

distortionfield 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

There is little reason to believe that low hiring will be improved in any significant amount by removal of the H1B pool.

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calculatte 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, it should also be combined with the elimination of OPT, H4 EAD, and H1 visas that are harming the STEM industries in the same way to the tune of 6 million jobs. New grads can't compete with the tax benefits provided by hiring OPT workers.

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SilverElfin 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Are they harming the STEM industry, or are they a key reason why these industries are successful? Maybe those workers are just better than you and deserving of those jobs? If you don’t want competition, what you’re asking for is a tariff basically. In other words, you are pro inflation and pro passing on YOUR costs to the rest of us. No thanks.

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RealityVoid 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So... Protectionism, right?

Stupid me, I thought the US was about competition and boldness, a place where a man can work, be good at what he does and be appreciated for it. But it turns out that for many of you it's about the place you happened to be born.

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remarkEon 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes.

The purpose of the United States government is to benefit the people already here. It is not reasonable to assume that Americans should have to compete with the labor pool of the entire planet.

>But it turns out that for many of you it's about the place you happened to be born.

This meme needs to die. It was not some sort of accident that I was born in this country, it was the consequence of generations of conscious decisions and actions. I had a 0% probability of being born literally anywhere else. And as such, it is perfectly reasonable to want my government to prioritize the needs of me and my compatriots over those of others who are not from here.

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RealityVoid 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Americans should have to compete with the labor pool of the entire planet.

You almost always do, with houw our world is set up. No matter what you believe.

> it was the consequence of generations of conscious decisions and actions.

Oh, yeah, you are worthy, the others aren't. Got it.

> it is perfectly reasonable to want my government to prioritize the needs of me and my compatriots over those of others who are not from here.

They are not, in fact, prioritizing the needs of your compatriots. They would if they cared about making your country more competitive.

But in fact, they are hard at work to alienate your allies, erase your competitive advantages and turn you into a dictatorship.

Good luck, you're going to need it. Don't worry, I know us across the pond are fucked too, but at least we are not throwing away our status as a superpower for the dumbest of reasons.

	▲	remarkEon a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I think the hyperbole in your comment is clouding your point, which appears to be that you are skeptical that immigration restrictionism is on balance good for the United States, to which I’d say that immigration restrictionism is actually the default setting and the current era of high immigration is unprecedented and new. This is the same pattern in Europe as well. The US achieved its super power status during one of the more restrictionist periods for immigration in its history, so I don’t follow how moderating immigration just a little bit equates to “throwing it away”.
	▲	Muromec 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>at least we are not throwing away our status as a superpower for the dumbest of reasons. If you would choose to believe, all of this is a strategic play to get off the resource curse (aka the Dutch disease), with resources in question being trust and US dollar being the world currency. Throwing that away may be a good thing for US long term.

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SilverElfin 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yep, all H1B workers combined are less than 500K people. A tiny, tiny portion of the job market, which is like 175 million jobs

	▲	_DeadFred_ 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		65% of H1B jobs are in one industry, “computer-related” jobs as of 2023. There are over 700,000 H1Bs in the USA, so almost half a million tech industry specific H1B jobs. Considering there are roughly 6-10 million tech jobs in total in the USA, that's 5-9% of tech jobs.

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Mountain_Skies 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

There is nothing you can post that will change this. The people openly abusing the intent of the program are growing too wealthy for them to even pretend to understand the negative effects. Don't expect them to accept there ever being any consequences for themselves for what they have done. Cutting them off cold turkey and enforcing the laws they've been breaking is the type of ice water shock they need to come back down to reality.

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SilverElfin 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There is no rampant abuse or fraud or nepotistic hiring. These are just the latest talking points from supremacists on Twitter / X, that they repeat without any evidence, to rage bait the gullible. I’ve not seen nepotistic hiring from my immigrant coworkers, just merit based hiring. Do you really think all these well run and successful companies are leaning into allegedly low skill workers and nepotism because it is good for their business? No - they’re leaning into merit because that’s what is making them great.

If you disagree, share your evidence. Oh and also, high tech unemployment is not a reason to stop the H1B or other programs. If you’re unemployed in one industry, go find another one - don’t steal from me for your protectionism.

	▲	_DeadFred_ 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Your last sentence: "Oh and also, high tech unemployment is not a reason to stop the H1B or other programs. If you’re unemployed in one industry, go find another one - don’t steal from me for your protectionism." directly contradicts the written purpose of the H-1B program. H-1B is explicitly conditioned on labor-market protection: prevailing wage requirements, attestations that U.S. workers are not being displaced, and the idea that the visa exists only when qualified domestic labor is unavailable. “If you’re unemployed, go find another industry” does not fit with H1B and shows you are OK with and personally normalize it's abuse. The fact that you’re such a strong defender of H-1B while rejecting its core statutory premise shows you’re arguing for something other than H-1B as it exists in law. That mismatch is itself evidence that the concerns you dismiss aren’t coming from nowhere.