| ▲ | 999900000999 2 days ago |
| I wanted to order one of these and then Qualcomm cancelled it. Then I knew Windows ARM probably wasn't going to make it. Why any technical person would want a PC( not including Macs)that explicitly can't run Linux I'll never know. |
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| ▲ | pjmlp 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Technical person that knows UNIX since being introduced to it via Xenix in 1993, and has used plenty of UNIX flavours since then. Some of us like the experience of Visual Studio, being able to do graphics development with modern graphics APIs that don't require a bazillion of code lines, with debuggers, not having to spend weekends trying to understand why yet again YouTube videos are not being hardware accelerated, scout for hardware that is supposed to work and then fails because the new firmaware update is no longer compatible,.... |
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| ▲ | g947o 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Your comment appears to address the question "why use Windows" (even though the answer doesn't really make sense to me), but that's not the question asked in GP. The question was "Why buy a Windows on ARM device" | | |
| ▲ | pjmlp 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Ah, ok, that I really don't see the point. PCs aren't vertically integrated from a single vendor, and thus it isn't as if Microsoft alone can drag a whole ecosystem into ARM, even if the emulation would work out great. Windows NT was also multi-architecture, and eventually all variants died, because x86 was good enough, and when Itanium came to be, AMD got a workaround to keep x86 going forward. Even gaming doesn't work that great on Windows ARM. | | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Microsoft isn't even putting in a fair effort. They have the Surface line and own tons of game studios. Where are the Gamepass games with Arm ? Microsoft if they wanted to fund it right could get popular 3rd party software ported. In retrospect it was hopelessly naive, but I even emailed Qualcomm asking if I could have a dev kit in exchange for porting one of my hobbyist games. They basically said thank you for asking but we don't have a program for this. Now hypothetically let's say there was a Qualcomm Snapdragon Linux laptop. I could just port the code myself for most applications I actually need | | |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok. But with an x86 device you can run Windows and Linux. With an Windows Arm device it's probably only going to work with Windows. It's not clear what real advantages Arm gives you here. | | |
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| ▲ | kllrnohj 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Why any technical person would want a PC that explicitly can't run Linux I'll never know. Huh? https://www.phoronix.com/review/snapdragon-x1e-september |
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| ▲ | theevilsharpie 2 days ago | parent [-] | | More recent revisit: https://www.phoronix.com/review/snapdragon-x-elite-linux-eoy... TL;DR: It runs, but not well, and performance has regressed since the last published benchmark. | | |
| ▲ | paines 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Tuxedo is a german company relabling Clevo Laptops so far, which work out-of-the-box pretty good (I might say perfect in some cases) on Linux. They have done ZILCH, NADA, absolute nothing for Linux, besides promoting it as a brand. So now they took a snapdragon laptop, installed linux and are disappointed by the performance....Great test, tremendous work! Asahi Linux showed if you put in the work you can have awesome performance. | | |
| ▲ | array_key_first 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes but having to reverse engineer an entire platform from scratch is a big ask, and even with asahi it's taken many years and isn't up to snuff. Not to say anything of the team, they're truly miracle workers considering what they've been given to work with. But it's been the same story with ARM on windows now for at least a decade. The manufacturers just... do not give a single fuck. ARM is not comparable to x86 and will never be if ARM manufacturers continue to sabotage their own platform. It's not just Linux, either, these things are barely supported on Windows, run a fraction of the software, and don't run for very long. Ask anyone burned by ARM on windows attempts 1-100. | |
| ▲ | g947o 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > if you put in the work you can have awesome performance. Then why would I pay money for a Qualcomm device just for more suffering? Unless I personally like tinkering or I am contributing to an open source project specifically for this, there is no way I would purchase a Qualcomm PC. Which is what the original comment is about. | | |
| ▲ | kllrnohj 2 days ago | parent [-] | | The original comment was "explicitly can't run Linux" which is explicitly not true. Not "it's not fully baked" or "it's not good", but a categorically unambiguously false claim of "explicitly can't run Linux" as if it was somehow firmware banned from doing so. | | |
| ▲ | g947o a day ago | parent [-] | | If you want to split hairs, sure. It does not help anyone who is considering buying a laptop. | | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 a day ago | parent [-] | | I'm open to being wrong. If someone wants to provide a link to a Linux iso that works with the Snapdragon Plus laptops( these are cheaper, but the experimental Ubuntu ISO is only for the elites) I'll go buy a Snapdragon Plus laptop next month. This would be awesome if the support was there. |
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