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biammer 3 days ago

I understand how these LLMs work.

I find it hard to believe there are people who know these companies stole the entire creative output of humanity and egregiously continually scrape the internet are, for some reason, ignoring the data you voluntarily give them.

> I know that breaks the "training the tools of the oppressor" narrative

"Narrative"? This is just reality. In their own words:

> The awards to Anthropic, Google, OpenAI, and xAI – each with a $200M ceiling – will enable the Department to leverage the technology and talent of U.S. frontier AI companies to develop agentic AI workflows across a variety of mission areas. Establishing these partnerships will broaden DoD use of and experience in frontier AI capabilities and increase the ability of these companies to understand and address critical national security needs with the most advanced AI capabilities U.S. industry has to offer. The adoption of AI is transforming the Department’s ability to support our warfighters and maintain strategic advantage over our adversaries [0]

Is 'warfighting adversaries' some convoluted code for allowing Aurornis to 'see a 1337x in productivity'?

Or perhaps you are a wealthy westerner of a racial and sexual majority and as such have felt little by way of oppression by this tech?

In such a case I would encourage you to develop empathy, or at least sympathy.

> Using an LLM for inference .. does not train the LLM.

In their own words:

> One of the most useful and promising features of AI models is that they can improve over time. We continuously improve our models through research breakthroughs as well as exposure to real-world problems and data. When you share your content with us, it helps our models become more accurate and better at solving your specific problems and it also helps improve their general capabilities and safety. We do not use your content to market our services or create advertising profiles of you—we use it to make our models more helpful. ChatGPT, for instance, improves by further training on the conversations people have with it, unless you opt out.

[0] https://www.ai.mil/latest/news-press/pr-view/article/4242822...

[1] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is...

ben_w 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Is 'warfighting adversaries' some convoluted code for allowing Aurornis to 'see a 1337x in productivity'?

Much as I despair at the current developments in the USA, and I say this as a sexual minority and a European, this is not "tools of the oppressor" in their own words.

Trump is extremely blunt about who he wants to oppress. So is Musk.

"Support our warfighters and maintain strategic advantage over our adversaries" is not blunt, it is the minimum baseline for any nation with assets anyone else might want to annex, which is basically anywhere except Nauru, North Sentinel Island, and Bir Tawil.

biammer 3 days ago | parent [-]

> "Support our warfighters and maintain strategic advantage over our adversaries" is not blunt, it is the minimum baseline for any nation with assets anyone else might want to annex

I think its gross to distill military violence as defending 'assets [others] might want to annex'.

What US assets were being annexed when US AI was used to target Gazans?

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-ai-technology...

> Trump is extremely blunt about who he wants to oppress. So is Musk.

> our adversaries" is not blunt

These two thoughts seem at conflict.

What 'assets' were being protected from annexation here by this oppressive use of the tool? The chips?

https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/doritos-or-gun

ben_w 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I think its gross to distill military violence as defending 'assets [others] might want to annex'.

Yes, but that's how the world works:

Another country wants a bit of your country for some reason, they can take it by force unless you can make at the very least a credible threat against them, sometimes a lot more than that.

Note that this does not exclude that there has to be an aggressor somewhere. I'm not excluding the existence of aggressors, nor the capacity for the USA to be an aggressor. All I'm saying is your quotation is so vague as to also encompass those who are not.

> What US assets were being annexed when US AI was used to target Gazans?

First, I'm saying the statement is so broad as to encompass other things besides being a warmonger. Consider the opposite statement: "don't support our warfighters and don't maintain strategic advantage over our adversaries" would be absolutely insane, therefore "support our warfighters and maintain strategic advantage over our adversaries" says nothing.

Second, in this case the country doing the targeting is… Israel. To the extent that the USA cares at all, it's to get votes from the large number of Jewish people living in the USA. Similar deal with how it treats Cuba since the fall of the USSR: it's about votes (from Cuban exiles in that case, but still, votes).

Much as I agree that the conduct of Israel with regard to Gaza was disproportionate, exceeded the necessity, and likely was so bad as to even damage Israel's long-term strategic security, if you were to correctly imagine the people of Israel deciding "don't support our warfighters and don't maintain strategic advantage over our adversaries", they would quickly get victimised much harder than those they were victimising. That's the point there: the quote you cite as evidence, is so broad that everyone has approximately that, because not having it means facing ones' own destruction.

There's a mis-attributed quote, "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf", that's where this is at.

> These two thoughts seem at conflict.

Musk is openly and directly saying "Canada is not a real country.", says "cis" is hate speech, response to pandemic was tweeting "My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci.", and self-justification for his trillion dollar bonus for hitting future targets is wanting to be in control of what he describes as a "robot army"; Trump openly and explicitly wants the USA to annex Canada, Greenland, Panama canal, is throwing around the national guard, openly calls critics traitors and calls for death penalty. They're a subtle as exploding volcanoes, nobody needs to take the worst case interpretations of what they're saying to notice this.

Saying "support our warfighters" is something done by basically every nation everywhere all the time, because those places that don't do this quickly get taken over by nearby nations who sense weakness. Which is kinda how the USA got Texas, because again, I'm not saying the USA is harmless, I'm saying the quote doesn't show that.

> What 'assets' were being protected from annexation here by this oppressive use of the tool? The chips?

This would have been a much better example to lead with than the military stuff.

I'm absolutely all on board with the general consensus that the US police are bastards in this specific way, have been since that kid got shot for having a toy gun in an open-carry state. (I am originally from a country where even the police are not routinely armed, I do not value the 2nd amendment, but if you're going to say "we allow open carry of firearms" you absolutely do not get to use "we saw someone carrying a firearm" as an excuse to shoot them).

However: using LLMs to code doesn't seem to be likely to make a difference either way for this. If I was writing a gun-detection AI, perhaps I'm out of date, but I'd use a simpler model that runs locally on-device and doesn't do anything else besides the sales pitch.

cindyllm 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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