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bakies 2 days ago

no citizens are paid under the table?

who pays bills of citizens w/o insurance that are rushed to the emergency room?

> My ancestors weren't given free shit upon arrival

you sure about that?

We're all the same people, stop hating.

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

> no citizens are paid under the table?

Proportionately far fewer, obviously? What? Are you going to honestly try and argue in good faith that per capita, people already breaking laws with no legal means to work are paying taxes at the same rate? Either way: it doesn't matter!

> who pays bills of citizens w/o insurance that are rushed to the emergency room?

Guess what? - and this might be a hard pill to swallow: we don't owe foreigners anything.

Your argument distills down to: "there are some citizen lawbreakers, too, so a few more shouldn't hurt!"

> you sure about that?

Social security among other things didn't exist, so, yeah, I am very sure about that.

> We're all the same people, stop hating.

Not wanting to finance unskilled lawbreakers at the expense of my own people is not "hate" - sorry!

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bakies 2 days ago | parent [-]

> we don't owe foreigners anything

This isn't true, it's a pillar of the USA to harbor refugees and welcome immigrants. It's our entire history. It's our entire identity.

> Proportionately far fewer, obviously

I dont think so. There's a lot of people in this country, far more citizens than illegal immigrants.

> Not wanting to finance unskilled lawbreakers

capital punishment for every crime if you dont have a degree? what are you arguing?

yes, the argument is immigrants and citizens aren't different. we're all people

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

> This isn't true, it's a pillar of the USA to harbor refugees and welcome immigrants. It's our entire history. It's our entire identity.

All of these dreamy tales are from before the New Deal for a reason.

> I dont think so. There's a lot of people in this country, far more citizens than illegal immigrants.

The word "proportionately" means something: if you believe that the same percentage of illegal immigrants pay taxes as legal citizens, you are definitively wrong. Legal immigrants probably pay taxes at a higher rate (by systemic design), but there's simply no way this is true for border hoppers.

> capital punishment for every crime if you dont have a degree? what are you arguing?

Deportation is not capital punishment!

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goatlover 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Deportation is not capital punishment!

And how well do deported people fair? Sometimes they'll be returned to dangerous situations they were fleeing, sometimes to impoverished areas, sometimes even to prisons. I'm guessing some do end up dead. Even for those who manage, some might never see family members again.

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bakies 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

My point was "your people" are financing unskilled lawbreakers with or without immigrants. Also "your people" are immigrants.

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

> financing unskilled lawbreakers with or without immigrants

So why invite more?

> Also "your people" are immigrants

Stop conflating legal and illegal immigrants: this strategy doesn't work as well in writing.

	▲	bakies 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		dont act like you care about laws