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nicbou 3 days ago

Vaguely related anecdotes:

- I got caught in the mountains for a few days due to landslides in Nepal. The only available information was relayed by phone between locals. People had no idea of what was going on and their vacation ended on the day the road reopened. It caused a pile up of cars where the road had slid off a few days prior. In some parts, rocks still fell from the cliffs above. We flagged a passing car and asked them to keep us updated on WhatsApp instead. We could have all stayed put if we had that information before.

- During covid I maintained a page with simplified local restrictions and a changelog of new restrictions. The alternative was to follow press conferences and re-read the entire regulation the next day, or keep checking the newspapers. Mine was just a bullet list at a permanent location.

- During the invasion of Ukraine, refugees have set up the most impressive ad hoc information network I have ever seen. It was operational in 24 hours and kept improving for weeks. People sorted out routes, transport, border issues, accommodation, translation and supplies over Telegram, Notion and Google Docs.

Information propagation is critical during emergencies, and people are really bad at it. Setting up a simple website and two-way communication channels makes a huge difference.

praptak 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

My Ukraine-based colleague had to ping friends with real-time questions like "is bridge X still unbombed/passable? Do you know someone who lives nearby and can check?" while he was fleeing from the invasion. Fortunately, enough of the questions came back with correct answers and he managed to get the (relatively) safe location.

aitchnyu 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Why does Ukraine trust Telegram so much? Seems they share intelligence-worth stuff there.

dolia 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Few reasons:

1. Habit. We're used to use Telegram for everything: news sources, social network, messaging, memes. Telegram has more capabilities than other apps. You can't realistically move your family and friends to another messaging app because of all of that and the network effect.

2. General attitude of all people towards privacy and sharing data: they don't really care. It's "Who would even care about my data?" and "I've got nothing to hide" all the way.

I doubt most of people ever thought about the topic of trusting a messaging app. It's not the framework they operate in.

There are two global psyops done by I don't know who:

1. That Bitcoin is safe and anonymous.

2. That Telegram is super safe for whatever shady or private stuff you want to do.

One of the best marketing campaigns ever.

I would also want to use this chance to alert everyone who uses Telegram that:

1. It's not e2e by default.

2. They use proprietary encryption protocol. You don't have access to code.

3. I don't think Telegram is profitable, I don't know how it can be with that scale. Which makes you wonder.

4. If you open in-message links, you have a chance of losing your account to hackers thanks to the old vulnerability that hasn't been fixed for years. You literally have to check the list of devices connected to your account every 12 hours if you want to be safe.

jollyllama 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Meh, Durov does not appear to be under Putin's control. The real question is, why does Russia trust Telegram so much?