| ▲ | embedding-shape 3 days ago |
| > If the Google culture was at all obsessed about helping users It's worth noting that Osmani worked as a "developer evangelist" (at Google) for as long as I can remember, not as a developer working on a product shipped to users. It might be useful to keep that in mind as you read through what his lessons are, because they're surely shaped by the positions he held in the company. |
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| ▲ | kinlan 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I was Addy's manager when he was on Developer Relations. He moved to an engineering manager role on Chrome DevTools many years ago and has recently just moved on to a different team. I don't think it's fair at all to say he's not a developer working on a product shipped to users when he led one of our most used developer tools, as well as worked on many of our developer libraries prior to moving to the Engineering manager role. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, maybe I should have been more precise, I meant "end users like your mom" rather than "not real users". Developing for developers, in a engineering-heavy team is obviously different than the typical product-development team. |
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| ▲ | techsystems 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Osmani worked as a "developer evangelist" (at Google) for as long as I can remember, not as a developer Oh |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 3 days ago | parent [-] | | That's not a fair reading, he's as much of a developer as anyone else. But he wasn't (AFAIK) working on user-facing products specifically. | | |
| ▲ | alemanek 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I think it is more the point that the users for his job were external developers. The role is inherently user facing and user focused. I don’t think anyone was trying to say he wasn’t a developer just that his job wasn’t to directly develop products | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I guess I just wanted to add that because of the way that quote was cut at the end, made me believe that the person quoting me thought Osmani "isn't a developer". |
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| ▲ | hansmayer 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ah, I see. I did notice it looked a bit too long-winded and fluffy for a developer-written text. |
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| ▲ | drewda 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Fair point. "User" as developer rather than "user" as person clicking buttons in Gmail, Google Maps, etc, etc |
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| ▲ | luckylion 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I think that's more "this sounds great" than "our users are developers". Google's services also aren't aimed at developers, the APIs are often very bureaucratic and not very well done (there's no way to list the available google sheets documents in the sheets api, I need the drive API and a different set of permissions? please.) It reads exactly like what you'd expect from a "I want to be considered a thought leader" person: nothing you haven't read a hundred times but it sounds nice so you can nod along. |
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| ▲ | vcsuspect 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
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