I had the hardware for both units and use them extensively so 100% familiar with how they sound.

And I'm not doing it based off of my ears. I know the algorithm, have the exact coefficients, and there was no guesswork except for the potentiometer curves and parts of the room algorithm that I'm still working out, which is a completely separate component of the reverb.

But when I put it up for sale, I'll make sure to go into detail about all that so people who buy it know what they're getting.

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vunderba 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Can you sell it, or would you have to do some renaming in order to get around trademark/etc ?

Consider reaching out to Audiority - I know they have some virtual recreations of Space Station hardware.

https://www.audiority.com/shop/space-station-um282

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johnwheeler 3 days ago | parent [-]

Luckily the trademark is public domain!

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psobot 3 days ago | parent [-]

Are the ROMs, though? (Not trying to be combative; I've had to deal with this a lot when developing emulation-based plugins.)

	▲	johnwheeler 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Can you tell me more about the experience you've had?

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wrl 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you also going to go into detail about the use of AI to generate the code?

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johnwheeler 2 days ago | parent [-]

Why would I? When you buy a car part, they don't print on the box they used AutoCAD in order to build it. When you rent a movie they don't talk about using DaVinci Resolve to edit it, right? People use AI now to build software. I don't think that's going to change any time soon.

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wrl 2 days ago | parent [-]

I find it really funny that so many people who vibecode software do their best to cover the AI tracks, especially when it's open-source. I think it's because you all know how negative the public sentiment about AI is, and the sentiment continues to build.

Here you are talking not just about how you've used it, but also how you're planning to sell this as a plugin to musicians – who, as a group, are overwhelmingly averse to AI. Because if they weren't averse to AI, they'd just be using Suno.

Best of luck.

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johnwheeler a day ago | parent [-]

I was watching a video where Sean Costello the creator of Valhalla Reverbs was talking about the original Schroeder algorithm design for the first digital reverberator. Schroeder had to schedule time on an IBM time-sharing system days in advance. Then he'd have to write out the code in machine language. Then he had to drive 30 minutes to where the only DAC he had access to was in order to test out his algorithm. Repeat. We don't do that shit anymore.

How is this different?

I don't try to hide my AI tracks. I'll gladly tell anybody that AI helped me do it because it did such a fantastic job. I mean, that's literally what this post is about!

My plug-in sounds way better than the UM-282 which was hand-coded before AI was getting popular. That's all that matters!

Honestly I think you should re-examine your own position. I see you've written plugin software in the past and I'm sure you spent a long time on DSP algorithms and learning and understanding.

Well I did the same thing with web-based software for the last 25 years. The world doesn't give two shits man. The world is going to do what the world is going to do.

You're free to have your own opinion

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wrl a day ago | parent [-]

> How is this different?

What Schroeder was doing wasn't fundamentally built on plagiarism and copyright laundering. The externalities of commercial LLMs are pretty well-documented at this point.

> I'll gladly tell anybody that AI helped me do it because it did such a fantastic job.

And yet you got defensive when I asked you about it. I stand by what I said – you're worried about how it reflects on you and your product. Justifiably so, considering the audience you're going to be selling to.

> That's all that matters!

If that's what you need to believe, I guess? Again – you want to sell vibecoded software to people who themselves are threatened by AI and you're hoping they won't notice or won't care.

> Honestly I think you should re-examine your own position. I see you've written plugin software in the past and I'm sure you spent a long time on DSP algorithms and learning and understanding.

I've spent plenty of time examining my own position and I have come to the conclusion that, no matter how good vibecoding is, it's fundamentally immoral and I judge its practitioners harshly.

> The world doesn't give two shits man. The world is going to do what the world is going to do.

And you're just along for the ride? Have a backbone, at least.

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indigodaddy 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sell it?

	▲	johnwheeler 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Wat?