| ▲ | neomantra 3 days ago |
| The true social media. Walk up and stick a quarter on the cabinet. With the ever present sounds of bowling balls hitting pins at the Sports Center, you know exactly which one is yours out of the seven up there. Everybody hovering around, watching and kibitzing. Emotions bounce from stoic concentration to exuberant trash talk. Respect is briefly granted to the kid running the joystick for a half-hour until the hollers and applause when a frame perfect dragon punch knocks him out mid-kick, dethroning the current champ. Quarter laid up again, back in the line for the next dopamine hit shared with strangers. We are more connected than ever, yet still so far apart. |
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| ▲ | state_less 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| We had an Asian store across from the middle school where I hung out and we played Street Fighter for hours after school. The second generation Hmong that came out of the Vietnam war would would hang out and play. We all loved it! I'd often play Ken and they'd play Ryu, haha, we love our avatars. Sometimes I gave them a run for their money, sometimes they taught me new techniques, like a new sequence of moves. Some of the other kids on my street went to private schools and I think they missed out on some of the lessons/bonding I got from interacting with a variety of people in public school. It's good to get out into social setting and mix it up with folks. |
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| ▲ | phil21 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Some of the other kids on my street went to private schools and I think they missed out on some of the lessons/bonding I got from interacting with a variety of people in public school. It's good to get out into social setting and mix it up with folks. I went to private school, and would "miss the bus" after school on purpose so I would have to take the city bus home. There was an arcade in downtown Minneapolis a few blocks from the school where I'd hang out and play Mortal Kombat for an hour or two before heading home. Maybe stop by Shinders on the way to the bus stop to grab the latest copy of Wired or whatnot. Definitely let me get out of the private school bubble a bit, and gave me some lifelong problem solving skills - both socially and practically speaking. | | |
| ▲ | truelson 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Wired was such a great magazine to read as a teen in the 90s. I remember just itching for the next issue. |
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| ▲ | Joel_Mckay 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yet there was always that one kid that knew how to soft-lock Street Fighter II arcade cabinets with Guile. Samurai Shodown, The King of Fighters, and Mortal Kombat were also fun. =3 | | |
| ▲ | reincarnate0x14 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I had a pre-teen death rivalry with another kid over Samurai Showdown. I was the blue tuberculosis guy and he was the long haired samurai, and we'd meet Tuesday-Friday afternoons to burn quarters killing each other. At one point the owners used toy finger-handcuffs to tie us to the machine until one of us won. There was pizza! I've always wondered what happened to him. | | |
| ▲ | Joel_Mckay 2 days ago | parent [-] | | >I've always wondered what happened to him. Probably, just ran out of Quarters for awhile... or discovered Final Fantasy VII on PlayStation. =3 |
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| ▲ | hibikir 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Note that this wasn't a global phenomenon. We had SF2 in Spanish arcades, and I a lot of people wanting to play, but basically nobody played versus in the arcades I visited: The game was too expensive to make someone's investment last a single 3 round fight. So instead you'd see a line of people waiting to play single player, and helping each other out. The multiplayer games that did well were all PvE, like Gauntlet or Knights of the Round. A very different culture. |
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| ▲ | toast0 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > The game was too expensive to make someone's investment last a single 3 round fight. So instead you'd see a line of people waiting to play single player, and helping each other out. Custom among my friends was to put a quarter in, and wait to press start until the computer was about to win its second round. Then the challenged essentially got to play you for free. Doesn't work as well when it was two coins to start, one to continue though; in that case, the next challenger would rather pay one coin to challenge right away rather than letting the winner play the computer until almost dead at the price of two coins. |
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| ▲ | pigggg 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I recall during the 90s spending a bunch of time on SF2 and Mortal Kombat in arcades: shopping malls, bowling alleys, even some restaurant/bars that had a small arcade. One of the fun experiences was one arcade that Saturday mornings they had a "Freeplay" time for a few hours where everyone paid like $5 and every game was in Freeplay mode. It always amazes me how we all learned the special moves and fatalities word of mouth and eventually they'd get published in gaming magazines. The whole winner stays, loser pays - folks setting their quarter on the arcade to reserve their next spot. Many years later a coworker and I bought a very well used (cigarette smell and burns) MK2 machine for the office break area that took me back. Comically we found at least $10 worth of quarters inside the enclosure. Good times. |
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| ▲ | noufalibrahim 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It was somewhat anesthetized compared to running out into an empty lot to play football but yeah better than staring at a screen and calling it networking. |
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| ▲ | neomantra 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Certainly! I left out the part where I would ride my BMX bike with my friends, without a helmet and without my parents tracking me, 5 miles in an urban environment to get to the arcade, then we'd hike the Hollywood Hills fire trails afterward. | | |
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| ▲ | lvturner 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm not so sure... Where I grew up there was no arcade. It's easy to say that we are more connected but far apart, but only if you ignore the democratization that has come with that connectivity. |
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| ▲ | TZubiri 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Might be a stretch, but have you tried climbing or similar social sports? Climbing is a bit more for young adults, but since the wall is a shared resource, you have a lot of these social interactions, and it's mostly strangers as well, you just walk up, pay for a couple of hours and start climbing. I'm sure there's social sports more appropriate for adults and elderly as well. |
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| ▲ | coldpie 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Even just keeping the focus on fighting video games, the community still exists. Search for something like "<your city> FGC" (ie "fighting game community") and you'll probably come up with several hits. Join the Discords, figure out the schedule for local events, then just hang out and be a positive person. I was playing SF2 with folks in person just this past Saturday. |
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| ▲ | random9749832 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You can still go out there and do things like join a running club. People are still going to arcades in Japan. Comments like these are kind of ironic. |
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| ▲ | pezezin 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Nowadays' Japanese arcades are not like the ones GP is describing, most players don't interact with each other directly anymore. Notable exceptions are places like Mikado centers that organize tournaments and keep the old flame alive. | | |
| ▲ | huimang 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think the culture is the same due to cabinets having network capabilities now, but I do think it's possible. At the taito station in Akihabara, I've met tourists a few times when I was in town for a large tournament (EVO Japan) and made friends from it. I've also had people watching me play, but unfortunately I don't speak Japanese. I know there's a few arcades that still have some street fighter III: third strike cabinets with regulars. I can't speak for other games but at least for street fighter, people are almost always open and friendly. | |
| ▲ | wesapien 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was there 2 years ago. I went inside one of the multi storey gaming places in Akihabara. The old school (90's and older) era games are a small section in one floor when there is 6 storeys of gaming. | | |
| ▲ | pezezin 3 days ago | parent [-] | | That sounds like the Taito Station on the right side of the street. On the other side there is a Gigo with a whole floor for retro games, and Hey! that is focused almost only on retro games. |
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| ▲ | ghurtado 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Comments like these are kind of ironic. Why, because there is one country in the world where this doesn't apply? It's a commentary on modern Western culture, not a request for hobby suggestions. | | |
| ▲ | random9749832 3 days ago | parent [-] | | >not a request for hobby suggestions Of course it's not. Why look at anything positive or actually do something when you can instead engage in the tired tropes like looking at the past with rose tinted glasses as a way of comforting yourself. | | |
| ▲ | phil21 3 days ago | parent [-] | | You can be as positive as you want to be, and should absolutely take action and do things to better socialize. But to pretend it’s remotely the same as it was 40 years ago is utterly ridiculous. Now when you do such things like a running club you are joining a group of very self-selecting people who for the most part have a certain personality type. You simply do not get the diversity in group experiences as there used to be. It was either go through social discomfort or sit alone bored with zero social interaction. Now the friction to get that social dopamine hit is extremely low bar, and going beyond it the bar has been raised considerably. Not to mention doing stuff like running club or rock climbing just feeds into the hyper-scheduled world the west has become. Spontaneous social interaction is important too, and those third places are increasingly scarce and involve far more friction. Which again self-selects for certain personality types and lifestyles. For some people these changes are positive - much easier to find niche activities to do with others. For other people they are extremely negative. | | |
| ▲ | Barrin92 3 days ago | parent [-] | | >Now when you do such things like a running club you are joining a group of very self-selecting people I'd disagree with this pretty strongly. I do workshops at a makerspace in Berlin, which is in itself a pretty nerdy place but we've got everything from pensioners to middle aged moms to obviously a lot of people from the university or tech work. In much smaller cities not just here you'll find chess clubs, poetry slam groups, church choirs what have you. None of it hyper-scheduled or commercialized. I can't speak to what this was like 40 years ago I wasn't alive then but there's no shortage. I think the biggest difference is, people don't move. In the Western world mobility is at an all time low. If you were young and lived in a place where these opportunities didn't exist people literally just packed their bags and relocated. In the words of Morgan Freeman: https://youtu.be/oZcSivXEGys | | |
| ▲ | phil21 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I definitely agree that a big part of it is how immobile people are these days. What I meant by hyperscheduled is that typically these activities revolve around setting a schedule in advance for everyone to commit to and plan around. This sort of thing simply does not work for me. At all. Maybe once every couple months or so. For example my local makerspace requires at least days (if not weeks) advance booking for most tools. When I’m in a project mood or want to meet up with friends to hack on something it will be more of a “hey let’s go figure this out, meet you there in an hour!” situation. What I personally miss are the social clubs/spaces - heck even neighborhood pubs - that used to exist as simple meeting points. Whoever was there happened to be there and you’d tend to slowly make more social connections over time. You show up when you felt like showing up, and probably find a handful of casual friends there no matter when you’d go. There is an extreme dearth of such impromptu meeting points/gathering hubs at least where I live. If you want to meet with friends you typically are going to schedule it a few days out - even if it’s meeting up for drinks after work. With work from home that’s even far less of a thing since even coworkers are geographically dispersed vs. cutting out of work 30 minutes early to go grab drinks at the bar around the corner. By the time I get through my exhausting work calendar each week all I want is some control over my day back - and let the day go by feels vs a calendar. This is the largest difference other than social media I’ve felt over the past few decades. | | |
| ▲ | short_sells_poo 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That's "just life" unfortunately. By the time most people reach their mid-30s, they accumulate enough commitments that they have to plan things in advance or they just don't happen. If a friend turned up randomly and unannounced at my door and asked if I want to go to the pub, they have the following barriers to overcome: I'm out for 10 hours a day during the work week and I'm asleep another ~8h. In the remaining 6h I want to go to the gym, I have to eat, I have to run errands, I have to spend time with my wife and in the remaining time I might just want some alone time. Odds are I'd have to turn my friend away, which would make me feel bad, even though I'd have gladly joined him in the pub if I could plan for it. And I have no kids! If I had kids, the odds are even worse. We all wish we could be back in our 20s when we had all the freedom and none of the commitments, but the truth is that for 95% of people this isn't possible. When you are in uni (or fresh out), you have all the time and energy, but (generally) no money. So you can spend a lot of time with friends who are in a similar position. By mid-life (30-55), you have money and energy, but no time. And in your winter years, you have money and time, but no energy left. In each of these phases, you can try to go against the flow and experience friction all the time, or you can try to make the most of it and adapt. If you absolutely desire the freeform approach you describe, perhaps you need to step up and establish the clubs and spaces you'd like and select for members who have a similar desire. Most spaces in cities have to cater to the lowest common denominator, and simply wouldn't be able to function without strict scheduling rules. It'd be patently unfair if the 20 year old uni student hogged the equipment when you turn up for your 2 hours of free time that you planned a week in advance, wouldn't it? |
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