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culi 4 days ago

I guess I'm the only one that was a fan of SO's moderation. I never got too deep into it (answered some TypeScript questions). But the intention to reduce duped questions made a lot of sense to me. I like the idea of a "living document" where energy is focused on updating and improving answers to old versions of the same question. As a user looking for answers it means I can worry less about finding some other variation of the same question that has a more useful answer

I understand some eggs got cracked along the way to making this omelette but overall I'd say about 90% of the time I clicked on a SO link I was rewarded with the answer I was looking for.

Just my two cents

garganzol 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The problem with duplicate questions is that they weren't duplicates at all, and mods weren't competent enough to tell a difference.

braiamp 4 days ago | parent [-]

Show me one that was closed by a moderator. Just one. And I will tell you exactly what happened.

sockaddr 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think the poster you're responding to is correct. I've seen it many times myself. And just so you know, asking for a piece of data and not getting it is not going to be proof that you're right.

braiamp 4 days ago | parent [-]

No, but it will show, as someone else already responded, that they don't understand SO systems and processes at all. The question they linked [0] was closed by the asker themselves. It's literally one of the comments [1] on the question. Most questions aren't even closed by moderators, not even by user voting, but by the askers themselves [2], which can be seen on the table as community user. The community user gets attributed of all automated actions and whenever the user agrees with closure of their own question [3]. (The same user also gets attributed of bunch of other stuff [4]

This shows that critics of Stack Overflow don't understand how Stack Overflow works and start assigning things that SO users see normal and expected to some kind of malice or cabal. Now, if you learned how it works, and how long it has been working this way, you will see that cases of abuses are not only rare, they usually get resolved once they are known.

[0]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32711321/setting-element...

[1]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32711321/setting-element...

[2]: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/432658/2024-a-year-...

[3]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/250922/can-we-clari...

[4]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19739/213575

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paradite 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I logged into my old account and found an old question I asked:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32711321/setting-element...

culi 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The linked answer seems like a valid guess for a relevant dupe. Like I said in my comment, "I understand a few eggs got cracked along the way to making this omelette" but I really don't think this was as widespread of a problem as people are making it out to be.

They also have Meta Stack Overflow to appeal if you think your question was unfairly marked as a dupe. From what I read, it seems that most mods back off readily

zahlman 4 days ago | parent [-]

> From what I read, it seems that most mods back off readily

If a reasonable, policy-aware argument is presented, yes. In my experience, though, the large majority of requests are based in irrelevant differences, and OP often comes across and fundamentally opposed to the idea of marking duplicates at all.

zahlman 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That was not closed by a moderator. In fact, it was closed automatically by the system, when you agreed that the question was a duplicate. Because of my privilege level I can see that information in the close dialog:

> A community member has associated this post with a similar question. If you believe that the duplicate closure is incorrect, submit an edit to the question to clarify the difference and recommend the question be reopened.

> Closed 10 years ago by paradite, CommunityBot.

> (List of close voters is only viewable by users with the close/reopen votes privilege)

... Actually, your reputation should be sufficient to show you that, too.

Anyway, it seems to me that the linked duplicate does answer the question. You asked why the unit-less value "stopped working", which presumably means that it was interpreted by newer browsers as having a different unit from what you intended; the linked duplicate is asking for the rules that determine the implicit unit when none is specified.

csomar 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You had me looking through my history. Here is an example from 12 years ago: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15626760/does-an-idle-my...

Granted when I look at that question today, it doesn't make much sense. But 12 years-back me didn't know much better. Let's just say the community was quite hostile to people trying to figure stuff out and learn.

culi 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah I can definitely see why this might feel hostile to a newbie. But SO explicitly intended to highlight really good well-formed and specific questions. Stuff that other people would be asking and stuff that wouldn't meander too much. It's simply not meant to be a forum for these kinds of questions. I think Reddit would've been a better fit for you

eterm 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

That is a specific question.

Any more specific and I suspect it would have been closed as too specific to their environment / setup instead.

csomar 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't really agree. Programming on our endless tech stack is meandering. And people come in all shapes, forms and level of expertise. I mean, sure, it's their platform, they can do whatever with it. But as an experience developer now, I still rather prefer an open/loose platform to a one that sets me to certain very strict guidelines. Also once you had negative experiences in SoF as a beginner, would you come back later? I didn't.

culi 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Programming on our endless tech stack is meandering. And people come in all shapes, forms and level of expertise.

completely agree

> But as an experience developer now, I still rather prefer an open/loose platform to a one that sets me to certain very strict guidelines.

And that's also fine. It's just not what I think SO was trying to be. Reddit for those types of questions, HN for broader discussions and news, and SO for well-formed questions seems like a good state of things to me. (Not sure where discord fits in that)

zahlman 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Let's just say the community was quite hostile to people trying to figure stuff out and learn.

I don't understand how there is supposedly any hostility on display there.

digitalPhonix 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/79530539/how-is-an-ssh-c...

Question: How is an SSH certificate added using the SSH agent protocol?

> Closed. This question is seeking recommendations for software libraries, tutorials, tools, books, or other off-site resources

braiamp 4 days ago | parent [-]

> The community is reviewing whether to reopen this question as of 36 mins ago.

Asking where in the documentation is something is always tricky, specially because it usually means "I didn't read the documentation clearly". Also...

You went and deleted the question immediately after it was closed only to undelete it 2 hours ago (as the moment of writing)[0]. After it was closed, you had an opportunity to edit the question to have it looked at again but choose instead to delete it so that nobody will go hunting for that (once deleted, we presume that it was for a good reason). So, yeah, obviously you will be able to show that as example because you didn't give anyone the opportunity to look at it again.

[0]: https://stackoverflow.com/posts/79530539/timeline

digitalPhonix 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Asking where in the documentation is something is always tricky, specially because it usually means "I didn't read the documentation clearly". Also...

It’s not asking for documentation, it’s quite literally asking how to do something. There are links to documentation to prove that I read all the documentation I could (to preemptively ward off the question getting closed).

Yes, I deleted it because I solved the question myself, no need for it to exist as a closed question. How can I “Edit the question so it can be answered with facts and citations. You can edit the question or post a new one.”? The answer is quite literally facts (the message format) and citations which is what I was hoping to get from someone else answering.

I undeleted it so I could give this example.

> So, yeah, obviously you will be able to show that as example because you didn't give anyone the opportunity to look at it again.

What would looking at it again do? I had no idea it was being voted to close in the first place; I have no way to request a review; and the instructions for what to do to “fix” the questions make absolutely no sense so there’s nothing to change before it gets “looked at again”.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

francisofascii 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I also agreed with this vision. It was meant to be more like Wikipedia rather than Reddit.