| ▲ | hrimfaxi 5 hours ago |
| I really loved the previous design with the physical numpad and it seems they've opened up the platform to support more applications beyond a few blessed ones (like Signal in the past). Really put off by this though: > If you don’t pay for a product, you are the product. With MC03, you pay to retain your data rather than paying with it. So you have to pay >$100/year to maintain access to your device? Why do I need to pay to retain data that is on my own device? |
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| ▲ | wiether 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm not saying that I'm approving this company or their products, but I can definitely get behind the idea of paying for OS updates. Part of the premium we pay for an iPhone or a Mac is to finance the development of iOS/MacOS. We get the updates for "free" but we actually already paid them when we paid the device. Meanwhile, here it's clear: you pay the device, and then you pay for the OS. The opposite being the product like with Microsoft/Google. Or relying on the goodwill of other people (FOSS). If I take the example of Kagi, I saw how much impact as a customer I have/had on the product. Meanwhile Microsoft/Google/Apple don't care. And on FOSS I could _just_ do the things myself, but I'm not an OS dev and I already spend some time on other FOSS projects (I'm writing this message on an Linux computer).
Donations are great but they are not reliable/predictable and they don't give you more power to influence the product. Regarding your question "Why do I need to pay to retain data that is on my own device?", according to their FAQ:
"Without an active subscription, certain core services and privacy features will be limited. To keep your MC03 fully functional, secure, and up to date, an active subscription is required."
https://www.punkt.ch/products/mc03-premium-secure-smartphone So the phone won't brick itself and you won't lose access to your data. But the company itself give me a bad feeling, like Proton, trying to surf the hype and doing lots of virtue signaling. |
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| ▲ | piou 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I really loved the previous design with the physical numpad That's their MP02, different product line, which is pretty much just talk and text plus Signal ("Pigeon" on the MP02):
https://www.punkt.ch/products/mp02-4g-minimalist-phone I recommend the MP02, with one caveat: don't buy it right now. Because there have historically been problems with Pigeon, you really ought to use Signal for Desktop at the same time as Pigeon, in case Pigeon starts having problems. But as of now you can't you can't connect the two (though Signal for Desktop keeps working fine if you already have them synced). I've found the call quality and reliability on the MP02 to be great after a year of use. [Edited to add: MP02 doesn't require a subscription.] |
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| ▲ | sallveburrpi 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | People really pay 300+ € for a phone; it’s crazy to me. I still have some ancient (pre-smartphone) phones lying around, they work just fine and do the same thing.
To be fair they don’t come with Signal but then again that doesn’t seem to work well.
Only real argument would be the battery - but the last time I tested one of my old burner phones the battery still lasted for about 5 days (crazy right…) | |
| ▲ | trueno 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | ive been watching the developments of sidephone closely. ive long sought the perfect dumb-ish phone and they just dont exist, the sidephone isn't perfect either but if it delivers it could be much closer. there's pieces of it im not a fan of: closed source OS (for now) and no word on if there will at least be like SDK's to build out things for it. the biggest leap forward in smart phones to me was personally in-hand GPS navigation. that was a game changer. I really _don't_ need to be even opening internet browsers for anything. T9 phone with a week of battery life, the ability to play some mp3's and GPS navigation and.. sigh I guess some way for me to issue MFA for okta/entraid/whatever since that's so ubiquitous with workplace security now... and I'd be set. it's wild how advanced the likes of hardware companies were over a decade ago at making miniature hardware. the last generation ipod nano (7th I think?) was this tiny touch screen device and when I hold it in my hand today it feels ... actually magic. seriously it feels mind blowing, state of the art with how small and responsive it is. like that kind of miniaturization doesn't seem to exist anymore & it's something only the hardware giants at scale seemed to be able to do since they had supply chain connections and R&D warchests to blow on designing custom components. A lot of these dumb phones rely on generalist components I think and they aren't bankrolled with bajillions of dollars to get new R&D going and tooling online to really put an impressive device together, I just never see it in these "disconnect but stay just connected enough" dumb-phones that are trying to offer an exit from the noise of modern smart phones. i'd absolutely cherish something that had the form of the nokia xpress music 5310 https://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/MOBILE/large/Nokia_5... with gps navigation, the ability to play music, and workplace MFA capability. that's it, i've thought about it and i seriously don't need anything else. yeah whatsapp and spotify are super ubiquitous these days but they're literally not required to get in touch with me. and for spotify, i finally did do that whole "nerd mods an ipod 15 years later thing" and it taught me something that i needed to know about myself: ADHD + spotify = bad. my last decades playlists are a mess, i listen to music _less_ because it's just an onslaught of new stuff and access to everything. something about having a collection of music i actually took time to curate into playlists..i know what's in there i know what i can listen to. it's somewhere between meditative (which is good for me) and very intentional. acquiring new music is now also very intentional, getting it onto my device is intentional. its slower, less convenient, and somehow it makes me enjoy the music experience a lot more. im listening to more music now in a way that I haven't since I was sitting on a schoolbus next to my crush and sharing a headphone with her. all in all I've seen a few of these "dumb phones, no distraction" device manufs now like punkt here start off with a cool design and eventually just cave and fold to some full screen touch design. to me that just nixes a lot of checkboxes for me: more screen = undoubtedly more distractions and ways to be connected, i miss buttons, i just... don't want a big phone. ever. i want to be intentional about my connectivity, and that means if i need the internet i need to just go hop on my computer. if im itching to know something and im standing in an elevator or standing on a subway, i actually don't want to be able to pull my phone out and have the immediacy of an answer. i want to stay bored in my head, work on the skill of "this is important i hope i come back to it lets index that thought and come back to it later", and just learn to live with being in my own head without the constant need to have an answer or scratch a dopamine itch immediately. there's something ive completely lost over the years, basically that ability to imagine spiderman swinging from the powerlines when i was a kid looking out the window of my parents car. whatever _that_ is, i think that came with a lot of core benefits for my brain activity that generally allowed me to have a more meaningful and happier life. |
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| ▲ | observationist 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, this is the opposite of being your device. This is pretending to own a device as a service. I'm building a portable pbx on a raspberry pi with some power banks I stick in a backpack and a dual sim 5g unlimited internet hotspot, and switch over to starlink 5g when that happens. I'll throw a media server in there (pirate everything), and use a small portable wireless streaming touchscreen. There are all sorts of useful UI and linux tools that can make it a far better experience than android or phones. If I need a camera, I'll buy a camera. I've got earbuds and bluetooth for peripherals. 2026 is the year I leave "phones" behind - not playing the subscription device game anymore. I left Windows last year. I'll get better service, real control, and no enshittification treadmill. It's too bad it takes an inordinate amount of tech savvy to break out - Linux is well beyond good enough for grandma or the average user at this point. There's no reason beyond exploitation for profit for the kafkaesque intrusion into people's lives and data. If you've got the capability, break out. This product is not breaking free. Same walls, different garden. |
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| ▲ | antinomicus an hour ago | parent [-] | | Re: media server. Yeah. I wish there was an alternative but the modern media landscape is so broken there is no other way to maintain digital copies of your shows and movies, while maintaining your own ability to curate your ow content on a plane that isn’t just another surface for those companies to drive engagement metrics. If you try to escape, you are forced into drm locked down Blu rays or even just shit out of luck in the case of a lot of direct to streaming tv. In which case you have two options, stay on the enshittification treadmill, taking more and more shit from bigass corporations who are actively poisoning the culture, or sail the seas. Or I guess just don’t watch tv. But I like tv. |
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| ▲ | Aeglaecia an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| cosmic levels of spin doctoring , doesn't really give a good gut feeling , especially post anom/operation ironside |
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