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concinds 2 hours ago

Industry talking points, meant to convince you to subsidize them.

Retric 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You don’t need to subsidize domestic companies to adjust for currency exchange rate manipulation.

The government could for example impose a tariff that covers half the difference thus maintaining an unfair advantage for Chinese companies. Thus profiting from the manipulation without placing excessive burden on domestic companies.

rapidfl an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Agree subsidies does not seem like the correct incentive structure. But that's what the other guy is doing so I guess that's what we have to do.

In general, can the EV industry survive without government subsidies? Maybe now it can in the US.

Also not convinced EVs (as they are currently) are vastly superior to ICE cars. Not accounting for the potential for ICE cars to vastly improve if there wasn't so much vested interest. So the whole EV industry seems a bit unsustainable...

Retric 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

For almost everyone with home charging, EV’s are a substantial win even without subsidies. There’s so many little wins like being able to turn the car on to warm up in a garage without filling it with exhaust. That’s a long way from every driver, but the EV industry doesn’t need to make up every car sale to survive just fine.

ICE cars can’t get vastly better they are simply too close to fundamental limits. It’s quickly becoming a competition between hybrids and EV’s.

eggnet 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I assume you're joking, but this is just sales tax.

Retric an hour ago | parent [-]

Tariffs are quite different than a sales tax because they can select winners and losers in a market. Cane sugar vs sugar beets etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_beet

However, they don’t have to be high enough to change who wins, even small ones adjust how much foreign subsidies manipulate the market. Foreign governments should consider how much US corn syrup impacts domestic consumption for example as a separate issue from how it impacts domestic sugar production.

China’s currency manipulation has second order effects that benefits Americans. We don’t necessarily want China to stop, instead the goal should be to minimize the harm while extracting maximum benefits. A small tariff that caused them to double down on currency manipulation would be a massive win.