I can't wait until regulators do their job and take away Apple's dictatorial control, in all areas, and all these doom-and-gloom predictions on all these tangential issues end up proving ludicrous.

What kind of control would Chrome have over the web? Adding APIs doesn't force the billions of websites to adopt them. So what if a website adds WebBluetooth? You don't want the web to have that anyway, and if you keep using Safari, you still won't have it. Happy you!

If scrappy Firefox on open platforms could save the web from 95% IE, then why are we all dependent on Apple, alone, to save us from ~60% Chrome? It's learned helplessness and Stockholm syndrome. I wonder how our species survived before the trillion-dollar company started taking such good care of us!

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icehawk 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not even a day ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46454115:

> I want my browser to protect me from ALL those things. Ublock origin did precisely that, then Google went in to kill ublock origin. Ublock lite is nowhere near as good.

> I consider this betrayal - naturally by Google, but also by random web designers such as on the python homepage who consider it morally just to pester visitors when they do not want to be pestered. I don't accept ads; I don't accept pop-ups or slide-in effects (in 99.999% of the cases; notifications for some things can be ok, but this does not extend in my book to donation Robin Hood waylanders)."

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concinds 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Why did you link me to a random comment?

edit: I see now. Firefox still has uBlock Origin. You missed the point. If Chrome wants to make itself less attractive, you should celebrate.

	▲	s3p 38 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		If you read it, it shows the impact Google has on browser quality for end users.

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bigfudge 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That was almost 20 years ago though. Things are really different now and it's hard to imagine Firefox saving anything these days. Sadly, the only entities powerful enough to control FANGs are FANGs (although fingers crossed the EU holds it's nerve and EU nations belatedly act on the realisation that being beholden to US tech giants is a massive strategic blunder, akin to relying so heavily on US military satellite data for Ukraine).

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chongli an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't have much faith in Firefox saving us, given its organizational turnover and cultural issues.

I have much more faith in a new entrant, like Ladybird. I should be able to use Ladybird on iOS. Why not?

	▲	ethbr1 40 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The problem with "new entrant" is that only revolutionary features convince users to switch en mass. Tabs/stability (Firefox vs IE). V8 (Chrome vs Firefox). Anything else is a battle of attrition, where the deepest pocketed competitor in terms of advertising spend wins. Or Google, because it flood all its own advertising channels. And Chrome still barely only won.
	▲	pipeline_peak 20 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Ladybird has too much pride. They are more concerned with making something from scratch than something that actually works. Also they’re switching over to Swift which can only be worse for performance.

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concinds 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, new problems will require new solutions. I'm calling out the logic of paternalism and dependency, an impotent hope pinned on a "benevolent" corporation retaining absolute control forever.

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geon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If scrappy Firefox

Because ie at the time was dogshit. FF was such an indisputable improvement that people just had to switch.

Chrome great. There is nothing a newcomer can do to compete.

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pipeline_peak 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> What kind of control would Chrome have over the web?

Do you remember Manifest Version 3? They did away with ad block extensions.

If we all end up using Chromium, there’s no longer a web standard. It’s whatever conforms to Google’s standard because all sites will have to support Chromium. That means there will be an undocumented spec. It’s much too difficult for browser engine developers to compete with them, they don’t have nearly the resources.

Do you think the web should be an open standard? How can company catch up if Google is the one pushing the envelope?