Can you explain how? Poor standards implementation? Performance? UX?

socalgal2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No full screen API so impossible to make lots of types of game experiences.

No orientation API so impossible to make games and other experiences that require a certain orientation

No WebXR (though Apple will allow it on Vision Pro)

No support for ResizeObvserver devicePixelContentBoxSize so impossible to get correct rendering reguardless of user's zoom level.

No simple PWA installation. Requires an obscure incantation that only expert users know.

That's just a few off the top of my head.

Yes, I know all the comments will be about how they don't want those features. That's really irrelevant. Allow them to be turned off. Require permissions. Those features have been shipping on other OSes, Desktop and Mobile for > 5 years and the world hasn't ended.

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jonhohle 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I hear this a lot, but have used Safari as my since it was launch in 2003.Performance has always been great. UI has always been minimalist, out of the way, and has never upsold me on anything. There are times where it lags and times where it leads standards. There may be a a site every now and then that doesn’t work, but iOS makes that less likely. The only thing I can ever think of is that it’s not <insert favorite browser> or doesn’t have <some favorite esoteric feature>.

That said, the only plugins I use are ad blockers, so maybe I’m missing something.

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panstromek 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It might look ok from user's point of view, but lot of the problems fall on web developers who have to work around a bunch of these issues to make their pages work in Safari

	▲	jonhohle an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I was doing web dev or related from 2000 to 2016. IE6 was far worse than anything Safari has done.

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panstromek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Late on a lot of standards, quirky in many ways and just a lot of bugs, especially around images and videos. Also positioning issues. They recently broke even position fixed, which broke a ton of web pages on iOS, including apple.com

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vips7L 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’d like the extension ecosystem from chrome or Firefox. I miss having real Firefox with real Ublock like on Android.

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lokar 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I find the “use reader automatically “ setting helps a lot

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basisword 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The extension ecosystem that Google has been locking down? You can get the same UBlock extension on Safari and Chrome now (on Safari desktop and iOS).

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vips7L 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Good thing I mentioned Firefox. Ublock on safari and iOS is not the same.

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basisword 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, it's not the same as the one available still on Firefox. But you said "I’d like the extension ecosystem from chrome or Firefox". I'm pointing out that the Chrome one has been limited and now runs the same UBlock version that Safari runs.

	▲	vips7L an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Good thing I mentioned Firefox

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concinds 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I cannot go through a day without "this tab has been reloaded due to a problem" on Safari iOS and any other browser. It's been happening for years, across phones. It's dogshit. Safari Mac is fine.

Even if that's an edge case, it's why having only one engine is pathological. Maybe Safari iOS works fine for you. Not for me. I don't want rationalization on why it's not Apple's fault, or somehow not Safari's fault, or "they'll fix it one day", or "I'm doing it wrong", or all the fanboy-talk that sounds like the enabling relative of an alcoholic. Don't care. I should be able to switch for even the most frivolous reason. Maybe I don't like that it doesn't render every website in pink.

It's like having only one type of chocolate in existence. This was never normal.

	▲	lokar 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I did not know that was even a thing that can happen. Do you see any pattern to which pages it happens to?