There needs to be a blockade for these rogue ships. That's the only thing they'll understand, short of being sunk.

mmooss 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Who controls these ships and what is their perspective? I don't understand how we know what they 'understand' or not?

Also, how do you identify the ships? Do you blockade all maritime traffic in the Baltic Sea? All too and from Russia? The first would destroy our own economy, the second is a certain act of war.

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shmerl 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Likely Russia. Their idea is to engage in war under pretense that it's not a war.

What I mean is that they will only understand counter measures that you'd take in a war, like blockade or sink them for instance.

I.e. they are already engaging in the acts of war, so it's late to worry about that, the question is what is anyone doing about it.

Ukraine sinks their fleet in the Black Sea, and they understood it very well - they don't leave their ports.

	▲	mmooss 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> What I mean is that they will only understand counter measures that you'd take in a war, like blockade or sink them for instance. Likely that is what they want. Do you think Russian planners are ignorant, and can't foresee that? This sort of game is long played in international relations. It's chess: You try to cause your opponent to put themselves in a bad position. Provocations are manipulation - it's obvious what Russia is trying to provoke.

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TulliusCicero 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just seize the ships and auction them off. Damaging one cable isn't gonna be worth losing a whole ship, generally speaking.

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edm0nd 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

nah just sink them instead imo. they arent worth much.

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lawlessone 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Given the state some of these ships are starting to be in they might just be worth scrap..

	▲	bluGill 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Often the cost to scrap a ship exceedes the value of the raw materials. Depends the ship as well but things like asbestos can drive costs up