| ▲ | Recurecur 7 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||
Outside the purely electric vehicles (where I believe Tesla competes very well, where is BYD at with FSD?), is there a Chinese equivalent to: - The upcoming EREV (mostly electric extended range hybrid) F-150 truck? This is expected to have ~700 mile range, and of course no charging hassles. It’s main advantage over the now defunct Lightning will be towing range. - The Chevy Corvette Stingray? Say what you want, but the high end ICE sports cars have an appeal of their own… I believe the USA still has an edge in some areas of the market. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Tiktaalik 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> - The upcoming EREV (mostly electric extended range hybrid) F-150 truck? This is expected to have ~700 mile range, and of course no charging hassles. Its main advantage over the now defunct Lightning will be towing range. Interesting question. Maybe this is the niche where existing auto makers can thrive though if China automakers have a blind spot to outdoors enthusiasts where range is more important. The problem is that no one really needs or wants this outside of NA, Australia, maybe Russia and Africa? But there is a market. Range anxiety and towing is a niche problem and companies will get rich selling the next Toyota Camry/VW Golf for the median consumer. EREV is niche on niche and that's sort of where I expect the NA market to be going under the NA auto makers. We're going to have this protectionist wall where we have these bizarre (increasingly ICE dominated) market while the rest of the world moves on. | |||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | dzonga 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
American car manufacturers don't play to their strengths e.g affordable sports cars - Chevy Corvette Stingray | Mustang GT how many are sold in foreign markets the Bronco could make a killing in Africa but is it sold there NO. I understand here in the states the 4runner has no competition - yet ford wants to kill it using the Bronco. Why not use the Bronco to kill the land cruiser in markets where people default to a Land Cruiser / Fortuner and force Toyota to play defense. E.g in Africa certain markets Ford started selling the Ford Ranger Raptor and they're making a killing - and actually starting to cause Toyota to compete and not bring their usual stale cars. However Chinese have brought their A-game too - Tank 300, BYD Shark etc | |||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | yen223 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
The BYD Shark, which is a PHEV ute, sold like hotcakes last year in Australia. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | manquer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> BYD at with FSD? Setting aside the performances of similar systems, the more fundamental question is why is this even important to Chinese carmakers? 1. They are shutout of the U.S. market with tariffs from both parties, that doesn't seem likely to change. 2. Self driving systems are far more difficult to work well on the roads of Europe, Asia or Africa. The kind of wide roads and planned development only exists in U.S, Canada or Australia. On top of it the issues with weather handling are still on-going problems. 3. Labor is not near as expensive as in the U.S. in the rest of the world (dollar is expensive) so automation ROI is not as attractive given the costs. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | lossolo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> where is BYD at with FSD? I'm not sure about BYD, but other car makers have FSD that works like Tesla's FSD, and in some cases it even outperforms it. Here is a test from a few months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDSz06BT2g > - The Chevy Corvette Stingray? Say what you want, but the high end ICE sports cars have an appeal of their own… The world is moving to EVs, ICE will mostly be collectors cars in 20 years in developed countries. As to Chinese sports cars Xiaomi SU7 Ultra: "June 2025, an unmodified SU7 Ultra (with a maximum 1,139 kW (1,527 hp; 1,549 PS) power) lapped the Nürburgring in a hair under 7 minutes, 5 seconds. It is not only faster than the fastest Tesla Model S Plaid and Porsche Taycan versions, but also faster than a Rimac Nevera, one of the most high-end and expensive electric sportscars." U9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangwang_U9 is a supercar produced by BYD, fastest in the world. "It achieved a maximum speed of 496.22 km/h (308.33 mph) at Germany’s ATP Automotive Testing Papenburg, making it the fastest car in the world and breaking the record previously held by the Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+ at 490.484 km/h (304.773 mph)" | |||||||||||||||||
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