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AstroBen 5 hours ago

> Healthy, recreationally active but untrained young males

Yeah this is why. Anything you do as an untrained person is going to get you newbie gains. It's just really easy to improve initially. Doesn't mean it'll work after the first 6 months

timr 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Perhaps there's some unmeasured influence, but this study was looking only at the difference between growth within subjects vs between subjects. If the subjects were all "newbies", then that doesn't explain the results.

They're essentially saying that individual genetics explain the majority of the variation seen as a response to muscle stimulus in their test subjects, not the mass used, because the variation within the test cohorts was greater than the variation between them. You can argue that, if they didn't test experienced lifters, the results might be different in that population, but you can't dismiss the results on those grounds.

foldingmoney 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

exactly. when you're new, virtually any type of lifting you do is going to create sufficient stimulus to trigger maximum muscle growth, because you're going from 0 to 1. unfortunately, since the only people that researchers can usually convince to participate in their studies are untrained, this has led to an enormous amount of junk studies where they try to extrapolate the results to people who are not untrained.

ed 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

this wasn't a study of absolute growth (sure - newbie gains), but rather the difference between high and low load programming within individuals.

Nevermark an hour ago | parent [-]

> the difference between high and low load programming within [newbies]

Fixed that.

As the comment you replied to noted, newbie gains are remarkably sensitive to any stimulation, and insensitive to the type of stimulation. Because going from zero to any resistance training is a massive stimulus increase, on a long-term under stimulated system.

The study does confirm that. The data it produces is useful.

What this study doesn't do, is help newbies (or anyone) choose the most effective practices to adopt. Because 10 weeks is way too short to identify best practices for any sustained program.