> At my company I just tell people “You have to stand behind your work”

Since when has that not been the bare minimum. Even before AI existed, and even if you did not work in programming at all, you sort of have to do that as a bare minimum. Even if you use a toaster and your company guidelines suggest you toast every sandwich for 20 seconds, if following every step as per training results in a lump of charcoal for bread, you can’t serve it up to the customer. At the end of the day, you make the sandwich, you’re responsible for making it correctly.

Using AI as a scapegoat for sloppy and lazy work needs to be unacceptable.

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Negitivefrags 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course it’s the minimum standard, and it’s obvious if you view AI as a tool that a human uses.

But some people view it as a seperate entity that writes code for you. And if you view AI like that, then “The AI did it” becomes an excuse that they use.

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atoav 6 hours ago | parent [-]

"Yes, but you submitted it to us."

If you're illiterate and can't read maybe don't submit the text someone has written for you if you can't even parse the letters.

	▲	fourthark 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The policy in TFA is a nicer way of saying that.

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fwipsy 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bad example. If the toaster carbonized bread in 20 seconds it's defective, likely unsafe, possibly violates physics, certainly above the pay grade of a sandwich-pusher.

Taking responsibility for outcomes is a powerful paradigm but I refuse to be held responsible for things that are genuinely beyond my power to change.

This is tangential to the AI discussion though.

	▲	darth_avocado 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> If the toaster carbonized bread in 20 seconds it's defective, likely unsafe, possibly violates physics, certainly above the pay grade of a sandwich-pusher. If the toaster is defective, not using it, identifying how to use it if it’s still usable or getting it replaced by reporting it as defective are all well within the pay grade of a sandwich pusher as well as part of their responsibilities. And you’re still responsible for the sandwich. You can’t throw up your arms and say “the toaster did it”. And that’s where it’s not tangential to the AI discussion. Toaster malfunctioning is beyond your control, but whether you serve up the burnt sandwich is absolutely within your control, which you will be and should be held responsible for.
	▲	dullcrisp 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		No it’s not. If you burn a sandwich, you make new sandwich. Sandwiches don’t abide by the laws of physics. If you call a physicist and tell them you burnt your sandwich, they won’t care.
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	▲	atoav 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I think it depends on the pay. You pay below the living wage? Better live with your sla.. ah employees.. serving charcoal. You pay them well above the living wage? Now we start to get into they should care-territory.