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ape4 6 hours ago

They moved from platform A to platform B.

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petcat 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And platform B is basically a worse version of everything than platform A.

I admire the motivation though

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stanmancan 6 hours ago | parent [-]

“Worse” is fully dependant on what you’re looking to get out of a product. I consider anything Google/Meta to be about as bad as it gets because I disagree with their business practices and value my privacy.

	▲	wiseowise an hour ago \| parent [-]
		“Worse” has a defined meaning and they’re right. Proton stuff doesn’t hold a candle to the level of polish of Google.

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bigiain 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy.

That's a big deal to some of us.

Especially important it the demonstration that your privacy which Google et al, are so insistent on monetizing, does not mean they are charging you less for the same services that other companies can charge when you are paying only with your money, not your privacy as well.

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63282836292919 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy

I see, the EU propaganda shows effect. Of course a proponent of the non-elected regime doesn't mind the illegal "chat control" and censorship of any wrongthink facilitated by the Digital Services Act.

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NitpickLawyer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy.

I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, and the latest news is that they're still trying / succeeding on some fronts. Please don't reduce such complicated matters to red vs. blue, it's really more complicated and there are no easy solutions anywhere.

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utopiah an hour ago | parent [-]

> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control,

Strange to compare "scares" with a business model that's 20 years old now. Sure the EU is far from perfect but it's like comparing a well known problem to a potential one. One is bad, the other might sucks. It's definitely not equivalent.

	▲	NitpickLawyer an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> It's definitely not equivalent. We agree, but not for the reasons you think we do. Chatcontrol is literally 1984. It's mandated at the provider level. You can't opt out. You can always chose not to participate in the social media, sharing whatever you do. You can't not participate in chat control. Same same, but different.

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mrits 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd rather Google have my data than the EU

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bigiain 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's a choice. But it's not everyone's choice. And with <waves hands wildly around>, the non-USA choice is rapidly becoming more popular - at least among the people I know and talk to outside the US.

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mrits 5 hours ago | parent [-]

EU has always and always will be moving away from US tech

	▲	lostlogin 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I’d argue the opposite, that the US is moving away from the rest of the ‘free’ world. ‘Free’ meaning not run by dictators.
	▲	bigiain 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		FWIW, my perspective is from Australia, not EU.

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wiseowise an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Is this new “I’d rather have Chinese my data than US”?

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tick_tock_tick 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean I don't think anyone seriously thinks the USA doesn't have access to all the EU data.

	▲	utopiah an hour ago \| parent [-]
		That's a bold claim, are you implying that encryption is a scam?