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easterncalculus 3 hours ago

The frequently repeated keystone lie that Europeans have equivalent or greater rights, freedoms, and protection from authoritarianism than Americans, which is and has always been objectively and completely false.

oezi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well according to press freedom indices many European countries and the US are quite similarly ranked. Some countries better some countries worse.

Some countries have stronger institutions against dictatorships than others but unfortunately we have seen that even the US isn't immune and that slides auch as in Poland and Hungary are possible.

There is always hope that things can turn around (as in Poland even though the road is hard and there are setbacks)

amarant 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Citation? Every democracy index I've ever heard of rates most of Europe as more democratic than the US. (Eastern Europe will typically be rated lower, all of the former USSR states seem to be struggling with various degrees of corruption or similar problems)

The most commonly used index for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

cedilla 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, when fascists are in power, paper won't help anyone. But at this point, as a European I enjoy enumerated human and civil rights from multiple constitutions and several international treaties, which are directly enforceable by courts at the state, national, and European level.

The human and civil rights guaranteed by the US constitution are a complete joke in comparison, and most of them are not guaranteed directly constitution, but by Supreme Court interpretation of vague 18th century law that can change at any time.

pessimizer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You seem to have missed the Bill of Rights. Which is odd, because whenever we tell you during online arguments that our rights are guaranteed, you all say that absolute rights are dumb and it's actually more sophisticated and European to not have them.

Not that courts, legislators, and administrations haven't tried and succeeded in abridging them somewhat in any number of different ways for shorter or longer periods, but the text remains, and can always be referred to in the end. They have to abuse the language in order to abridge the Bill of Rights, and eventually that passes the point of absurdity.

No such challenge in Europe. Every "right" is the right to do something unless it is not allowed.

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