Why aren’t you mocking your dependencies? I should be able to run a microservice without 3rd party and it still work. If it doesn’t, it’s a distributed monolith.

For databases, if you can’t see a connection string in env vars, use sqlite://:memory and make a test db like you do for unit testing.

For redis, provide a mock impl that gets/sets keys in a hash table or dictionary.

Stop bringing your whole house to the camp site.

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esafak 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Because the real thing is higher fidelity, but it can expensive to boot up many times.

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reactordev 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Higher fidelity?

What does that mean in this context?

What higher fidelity do you get with a real postgres over a SQLite in memory or even pglite or whatever.

The point isn’t you shouldn’t have a database, the point is what are your concerns? For me and my teams, we care about our code, the performance of that code, the correctness of that code, and don’t test against a live database so that we understand the separation of concerns between our app and its storage. We expect a database to be there. We expect it to have such and such schema. We don’t expect it to live at a certain address or a certain configuration as that is the databases concern.

We tell our app at startup where that address is or we don’t. The app should only care whether we did or not, if not, it will need to make one to work.

This is the same logic with unit testing. If you’re unit testing against a real database, that isn’t unit testing, that’s an integration test.

If you do care about the speed of your database and how your app scales, you aren’t going to be doing that on your local machine.

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esafak 9 hours ago | parent [-]

There is your idealization, and there is reality. Mocks are to be avoided. I reserve them for external dependencies.

> What higher fidelity do you get with a real postgres over a SQLite in memory or even pglite or whatever

You want them to have the same syntax and features, to the extent that you use them, or you'll have one code path for testing and another for production. For example, sqlite does not support ARRAYs or UUIDs natively, so you'll have to write a separate implementation. This is a vector for bugs.

	▲	reactordev 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You're right that sqlite doesn't support array's or uuid's natively. SQLite was only a suggestion on how one might go about separating your database engine concerns with your data layer concerns. If you fail to understand why this separation is important, you'll fail to reason with why you'd do it in the first place so continue building apps like it's 1999, tightly coupled and you need the whole stack to run your thing. God forbid you expand beyond just 1 team.

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Leynos 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

pglite might be an option.