This is an interesting take, considering several EVs from traditional manufacturers have been canned entirely.

Tiktaalik 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The EV market is booming outside of NA. EV growth share in Europe is remarkable and Tesla is flatlining there while everyone else advances.

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iknowstuff 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Lack of FSD in Europe. If they manage to get it approved in 2026 expect that to reverse.

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array_key_first 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I really, really doubt FSD is the limiter of European sales. It's pricing and competition. The US car market is laughably uncompetitive, with most manufacturers opting to make luxury landboats. It's easy to compete when all your competitors refuse to introduce an EV under, like, 50 grand.

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apexalpha 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably also the no lack of Nazi salutes on TV and his political ‘escapades’.

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iknowstuff 2 hours ago | parent [-]

He appeared at an AfD thing

	▲	apexalpha 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I am well aware that clip mustve been played thousands of times. He really had no clue how politics work here. The people voting Afd et al. are NOT people buying EVs. The venn diagram of those groups is two circles.

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verdverm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

US auto is not the trend setter here. BYD is crushing it by comparison

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cyberax 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

EVs are in the Cambrian Explosion state in China right now. There are dozens of companies fiercely competing on price and features.

The two most popular EVs in China are the Wuling Mini and the Geely Xingyuan. The first one costs $4500 for the base model, and the second one is $9800. And you can get a very decent EV for $15k with plenty of options.

In 2-3 years, these $5k and $10k cars will only get better, and they'll just slaughter all the competition in markets outside the US and Europe. Especially once used cars start appearing at a fraction of the cost.

Traditional auto manufacturers are dead. Full stop. They just haven't realized it yet. Tesla had a chance to compete in this market with Model 2 but Musk decided to blow their lead on a completely stillborn and gimmick-filled robotaxi.