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PunchyHamster 4 hours ago

Tesla fans have no ability to learn from past lies.

RobotToaster 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 65535 times...

jacquesm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Let's hope they used a short unsigned int, just one more time and they can start all over again!

raverbashing 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hey just fool them once more and the counter goes to zero

lossolo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe "cultists" is a better word than fans, with Musk as their guru.

hvb2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The model Y is a genuinely good car... I can't think of an automaker with better software.

I've recently been shopping for another electric SUV and to be told that to get charging stops on your long trip 'through an app on your phone' instead of built into the navigation is.... Wild

Edit: it needs to be said that I consider a car a solution to the A to B problem, and nothing more :) This was one of the premium German automakers by the way. On a ~$50k car....

oakesm9 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Pretty much every electric car has charging stops built-in to the navigation. For some the quality of the data isn’t as high, but it will be there.

Many like Polestars and Renaults are built on Android Automotive (different from Android Auto) and the built-in navigation is full Google Maps with direct access to the cars battery state and control systems.

Works perfectly on my Renault Megane E-Tech.

hvb2 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Pretty much every electric car has charging stops built-in to the navigation

That's my expectation too.

> For some the quality of the data isn’t as high, but it will be there.

This is a real issue. You might be stranded with low quality suggestions. Chargers that don't work. The large number of accounts you need to have as every charger has their own etcetera

raisedbyninjas 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tesla, Rivian and a few others are tech companies that make cars. They have great software and integration between components. Traditional automakers are assemblers of modules made by dozens of suppliers. That's why Teslas navigation accounts for traffic, weather, elevation changes, charger speed & availability to plan routes. For legacy car manufactures battery preconditioning is about the most sophisticated route planning feature they'll have.

donkyrf 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which maker? Because that assertion is false for Porsche Audi VW BMW and MB. What’s left?

hvb2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Audi Q4, and if the dealer doesn't know how their own cars work then that's the same to me.

In an EV it's a necessity.

lossolo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I can't think of an automaker with better software.

Xiaomi? Huawei? Avatar? Or do you mean only the ones available in the US?

hvb2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If they're not available, then I can't consider them an option?

I've obviously not tested every car out there. But for years Tesla has been the only car that came close to the convenience of a gas powered car. Their charging infrastructure really allowed it to be a normal car when you live in populated areas.

HAL3000 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> If they're not available, then I can't consider them an option?

Who knows where you live and what options you have? Who knows what you considered? Maybe that's why the question was asked?

> I've obviously not tested every car out there. But for years Tesla has been the only car that came close to the convenience of a gas powered car. Their charging infrastructure really allowed it to be a normal car when you live in populated areas.

Charging infra have nothing to do with their cars besides maybe the US. They are barely leading in anything anymore, especially in countries with heavy EV competition, like China. When I was in China this year, I saw Teslas everywhere, but most of them were a few years old. Most of the new cars were Chinese EV brands, and they seemed better on most metrics in the same segment, which included quality. They're losing market share in the EU and worldwide.

dzhiurgis 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Gotta be joking.

lossolo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

And you've gotta have some outdated knowledge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDSz06BT2g