| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 4 hours ago |
| Considering how much money Nvidia has, it might as well buy the whole company and bring Intel back from the brink. |
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| ▲ | Workaccount2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The problems plaguing Intel are fundamental problems that money cannot easily solve, if at all. Intel needs expertise that only a few hundred people on Earth have, and most of them are in Taiwan, already working for someone else. You don't just buy an EUV and start printing, you buy an EUV and give it to a wizard to use as a wand. Intel needs wizards. |
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| ▲ | ac29 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | What you say is a bit dismissive of where Intel currently is. They are maybe a year behind TSMC and have been "printing" EUV in high volume since 2023 and shipping it in high volume since 2024. Their latest node 18A is already in production and should be a lot closer to TSMC's latest and greatest, with the first products shipping early next year. | |
| ▲ | rangestransform 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You need an army of wizards who are willing to do, for the most part, lab-tech work for lab-tech salary while having a graduate degree in relevant field | |
| ▲ | derefr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How much money are those wizards making that Nvidia can't easily afford to both 1. pay them to come fix Intel's problems for a while, and also 2. pay TSMC to rescind their non-competes to enable them to do that? | |
| ▲ | ricardonunez 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How one become a wizard like that? | | |
| ▲ | Workaccount2 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Get a PhD in some kind of esoteric field like chemical kinetics and then spend a decade learning about oxide surface conditioning under someone who spent their life working on it. None of this stuff is published (externally) and there are no discussion forums or stack overflows to help you either. You need to get through academia, prove yourself, and then you can start working on a chance to get access to the trade secrets that make it possible. After all that you will be placed as a researcher on a handful of steps in the multi-thousand step process of making SOTA wafers. And probably not make crazy money, but at this point, you're not in it for the money anyway. | |
| ▲ | fooker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Realistically, identify the next technology that will need such wizards and get into a PhD program to research that technology. | |
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| ▲ | epolanski 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unlikely to pass anti trust, they failed already acquiring ARM back in time. Edit: I see a lot of confusion on the topic. The anti trust does not need to be from US to be essentially binding, UK, EU, etc have also a de facto veto on mergers of global companies, even if those are US based, this is especially true in global sectors like semiconductors where everybody depends on everybody else from patents to machinery. |
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| ▲ | briffle 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They could just license all the IP, and hire away all the Engineers and executives... :) | | |
| ▲ | clhodapp 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think that's allowed under the terms of the x86/x86_64 cross-license deal with AMD. That's why, for example, any meaningful collaboration between Intel and Nvidia under this partnership has to be released in the form of an Intel product using Nvidia tech, rather than an Nvidia product using Intel tech. | |
| ▲ | Dr_Birdbrain 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe all the engineers, but not the executives who created this problem to begin with |
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| ▲ | nerdsniper 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It would kind of match AMD’s acquisition of ATI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies | | |
| ▲ | scrlk 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | What I find somewhat humorous: AMD originally wanted to acquire Nvidia, but walked away when Jensen apparently insisted on becoming the CEO of the merged company. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/insider-says... I wonder how AMD would have fared against Intel post-Conroe if Jensen was CEO. They were behind but still competitive until the Bulldozer flop, only recovering with Zen (and even then it took a few generations for Zen to mature). | | |
| ▲ | overfeed 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > only recovering with Zen (and even then it took a few generations for Zen to mature). Zen was a beast from day one. Zen 1 more or less matched Intel on single-core perf and outmatched it on multicore. Zen 1 blew Intel out of water on perf/$, so much so that the morning after booting up my Zen 1 computer, I bought as many AMD shares as I could afford. | | |
| ▲ | kimixa 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Zen1 was further behind in ST perf than Intel is today in it's desktop offerings. They really exploited their strength in MT and price, and showed that the market was already chafing under Intel's reluctance to go beyond 4 cores on their consumer line, presumably to avoid stepping on the toes of HEDT. But that just caused the competition to pretty much invalidate that entire line instead. And I don't really see the situation being that obviously different if it was Nvidia who they merged with and Jensen was CEO. The big issue was simply that AMD didn't have the cash at hand to both pay for ATI and maintain investment in R&D, at least without their next few products completely dominating the competition. I don't see a different CEO changing that. Unless Jensen was willing to value Nvidia significantly less than ATI at the time. |
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| ▲ | deaddodo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "De facto" is the keyword there. Only the nation of origin has any say on company management and infrastructure in a de jure manner. The only power non-origin nations/entities have is via leveraging their ability to do business in the region and/or their local holdings. | | |
| ▲ | guerrilla 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The only power non-origin nations/entities have is via leveraging their ability to do business in the region and/or their local holdings. Which is absolutely enormous, so this distinction is splitting hairs. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Different country (UK vs US) + different administration might change the results. Who said you can't just try the same thing over and over again until it works? | |
| ▲ | asveikau 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The current administration would let them do it. | | | |
| ▲ | allie1 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think they'd allow it so they can build a US based foundry behemoth |
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