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waweic 6 hours ago

Technologically, eSIMs are pretty nice. The electrical interface between the phone modem and the eSIM is the same as with a real SIM card, and the eSIM can run the same applications as a real SIM card, so at this point you can buy smartcards that can be swapped between devices and run eSIM applications. esim.me, 9esim and the "sysmocom eUICC for eSIM" (seems to be the most open/friendly at this point) are some of the options. Most of them offer an app for management, but there are also standardized interfaces.

SIM cards have always been secure elements that the provider trusts. With an eSIM, you can already own that secure element and the provider can provision it with their application. You can even have the applications from multiple providers on the same physical secure element.

The major advantage is now that the expensive and time-consuming part of provisioning a new mobile service (sending out a physical SIM card) can be replaced with a few standardized API calls. This is cheaper (which makes the extra cost some providers charge for an eSIM look quite silly) and a lot quicker, which enables new business models for short-lived cell connection services.

A world where all cell service providers offered eSIMs would be slightly nicer. But manufacturers removing the option of swapping the secure element is very annoying at the same time.

WarOnPrivacy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> The major advantage is now that the expensive and time-consuming part ... is ... sending out a physical SIM card

For the carriers I can see that. Especially the part where users can't move their esim without carrier cooperation. That grants telcos (and sometimes handset manufacturers) additional control over users - control that they don't get with physical sim.

And physical sim save me time and money. I get a new SIM each month. It's 1 min to swap it and update my forwarding #. Service is reliably cheap.

When I need my sim elsewhere (ex:5g router), I just move it.

spwa4 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The spec allows carriers to disallow removal of an eSIM, to allow for subsidized phone business models (in other words: this change was demanded by the carriers). So you should blame the carrier, not the manufacturer that simply implements the spec.

It might be nice if manufacturers implement a HUUGE LOUD warning when enabling an eSIM that requires carrier authorization to remove though. Someone should put that in the Android bug tracker.

ValentineC 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The spec allows carriers to disallow removal of an eSIM, to allow for subsidized phone business models (in other words: this change was demanded by the carriers). So you should blame the carrier, not the manufacturer that simply implements the spec.

Gosh, that sounds pretty nuts if some $5 throwaway travel eSIM refused to be removed after a few days of use.

izacus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did "blaming the carrier" ever work for you when they were abusing you as a customer?

AlexandrB 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's manufacturers (cough Apple) removing the option to use more user-friendly SIMs that don't give the carriers this lever of control.

raw_anon_1111 an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes because Apple of all companies have a history of giving carriers control of the experience.

maipen 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the major advantage for consumers is being able to securely ensure their cards never breaks and device restarts make their sim always available, no need for pin. Even if someone steals your phone they can’t disable your SIM card unless you don’t have a pincode.

I’ve had a SIM card constantly fail and require me to put my pin to unlock it multiple times in the same day. If someone wanted to call me they would not be able to because I didn’t know it was off.

Rebelgecko 4 hours ago | parent [-]

eSIM is also great for travel. There's a lot of competition on price and it's easy to check esimdb to find the cheapest carrier that meets your needs for a given trip. Download the eSIM in advance and you're good to go as soon as your plane lands

AlexandrB 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Bad for travel if you swap phones when you travel and have a plan that already provides data in other countries.