So what are they using this software for, what's the proposed alternative, and what makes that alternative work better for their use case?

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karlitooo 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When foundry came out the demo looked next level. I'm sure you could do much of the same thing with FOSS but IMO the problem that the NHS has been struggling with for multiple decades really looks like a lack of Technical Leadership due to the complexity of the environment and care needed when dealing with patient data.

Hopefully Palantir has the necessary skillset to navigate the political environment which involves developing a platform that: 1. protects patient privacy 2. supports needs of providers (e.g. hospitals, gps, specialists, DoH) 3. allows providers to use data to support their operations 4. allows NHS to use the data to improve patient outcomes and efficiency

This Foundry demo impressed me at the time but its a bit dated now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF-GSj-Exms

Actual data analyst from a hospital talking about what the platform achieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps47Azr2Jz0

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questionableans 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve heard Foundry is not only insanely expensive, but to actually accomplish something comparable to the demos in your domain requires a huge amount of integration work to build it out in a way that locks you in.

	▲	KaiserPro 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		They are currently trying to screw us for a 14% year on year increase (over 4 years) and screwing us for licenses to run apps in "production"
	▲	dzhiurgis 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> requires a huge amount of integration work Oh no!.. Data integration is literally Palantir's business.

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Oarch 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That second video was fascinating, thanks for posting.

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ziftface 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's totally reasonable to be skeptical of palantir without knowing the exact product in question, given their record.

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monero-xmr 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean it’s totally reasonable to be skeptical of the NHS given their record

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PaulRobinson 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not really.

They have a track record of failed IT projects, because they have a very high bar for handling data properly.

Palantir have a track record of successful IT projects, because they do what they want and hope there's limited blowback - they've modelled their biggest customer very well, there.

As somebody born in an NHS hospital whose life has been saved by the NHS on at least 3 occasions, I'm more than happy to defend their record.

Palantir, given what we know that has leaked about what they do and how they do it, considerably less so.

	▲	estearum a few seconds ago \| parent [-]
		> Palantir have a track record of successful IT projects, because they do what they want and hope there's limited blowback - they've modelled their biggest customer very well, there. What does this mean?

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tombert 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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bnjms 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Every time I’ve heard Peter Thiel speak I’ve believed he cares about other things. I’m more concerned about his implementations of things.

	▲	petre 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Sure. The guy names his companies after tools that evil characters use. Just picture him in a SS uniform the next time he speaks.
	▲	tombert 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Sociopaths are often very convincing. Every action I’ve read about seems to end up enriching himself.

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adolph 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Healthcare systems often use Foundry for organizing data. It's a complex problem and Foundry has a good toolset for the job.

https://www.palantir.com/offerings/health/

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biophysboy 11 hours ago | parent [-]

As somebody that works in the biotech/health space, this page is not that exciting?

The bottleneck in drug development is not discovery; we have to test more hypotheses more efficiently, not generate more hypotheses. You don't need a product like foundry to have reproducibility or share pipeline templates; there are already free, scripting-language-agnostic workflow tools.

	▲	ggm 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Healthcare use of foundry != biotech/bioinformatics use of foundry? A former work colleague works in health ontologies. They are complicated and include EMT and ward staff using terms of art with inverse meaning. Perhaps I misread your intent, belittling complexity in somebody else's information space (eg a function of multiple parallel legacy systems and organisational change) seems unhelpful. You weren't excited, maybe people on the management and health economics side were?

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megawatts 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They were already contracted by NHS to monitor vaccine distribution and covid data in 2020, that contract was terminated and moved to Mozaic Services after public outcry over data privacy concerns. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/uk-ends-one-of-its-data-shar...

	▲	harvey9 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Did you read the article? Adult social care dashboard not vaccine data. Mozaic just handled migration and is not the host. NHs FDP (Foundry) still has the vaccine data last time I checked.