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suralind 6 hours ago

I don’t really understand the hate he gets over this. If you want to thank someone for their contribution, do that yourself? Sending thank you from an ML model is anything but respectful. I can only imagine that if I got a message like that I’d be furious too.

This reminds me a story from my mom’s work from years ago: the company she was working for announced salary increases to each worker individually. Some, like my mom, got a little bit more, but some got a monthly increase around 2 PLN (about $0.5). At that point, it feels like a slap in the face. A thank you from AI gives the same vibe.

hijodelsol 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sending an automated thank you note also shows disdain for the recipient's time due to the asymmetry of the interaction. The sender clearly sees the thank you note sending as a task not worthy of their time and thus hands it off to a machine, but expects the recipient to read it themselves. This inherently ranks the importance of their respective time and effort.

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echelon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is that any different than Hallmark? Humanity has outsourced this for a long time. Low-effort gifts, regifted gifts, bad white elephant gifts, etc. etc.

There's nothing stopping you from appreciating heartfelt effort. That is still possible today.

To be clear, I don't like automated low effort stuff like this. But I hate the internet's psychosis-like reaction to AI more.

It's become a vile performative meme to state how much you hate AI. The tone is always one of bravery and sacrifice mixed with disgust.

You know how you can tell someone hates AI? They'll tell you fifty times. It's becoming a personality type.

tokioyoyo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Everything mentioned in the first paragraph as arguments still takes some personal time and effort. The amount of time that’s involved to receive and acknowledge the gift is smaller than the amount of time to prepare the gift. So it feels “right”.

Not sure if I’m making sense, but that’s how I’d feel about it.

AnimalMuppet an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you send me a Hallmark card, you don't take the time to compose it yourself, but you presumably don't just pick one at random. You read it, to decide if you like the tone and sentiment. You may read several before you pick one. That is, it still takes your time even if the words aren't yours.

globalnode 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you can just disagree with reasons rather than this performative rhetoric. your post makes me realise i was wrong to tease people about rust the other day -- apologies for that.

edit: changed "ad hominem" to "performative rhetoric", think its more fitting in this case but it all seems borderline

slg an hour ago | parent [-]

>you can just disagree with reasons rather than this performative rhetoric

This is such a bizarre trend that seems to have gotten much worse recently. I don't know if it's dropping empathy levels or rising self-importance, but many people now find the idea of someone genuinely disagreeing as a completely foreign idea. Instead of meeting a different viewpoint with some variation of "agree to disagree" many more people now seem to jump to "you actually agree with me, you're just pretending otherwise".

Non-tongue-in-cheek discussion of the Mandela Effect is a parallel phenomenon. "My memory can't possibly be wrong, this is evidence of our understanding of physics being wrong!"

Just a couple small things that make me worry about the future of society in the midst of a discussion about one huge thing that makes me worry about the future of society in AI.

dare944 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> I hate the internet's psychosis-like reaction to AI more. The tone is always one of bravery and sacrifice mixed with disgust. You know how you can tell someone hates AI? They'll tell you fifty times. It's becoming a personality type.

Tell me again about performative rage.

rubiksx an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This made me laugh, because it looks as if it were written by an AI, which would be ironic.

I’m sad Rob got so upset. I understand why, but no one wants technodystopia.

latexr 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

> no one wants technodystopia.

What some people see as technoutopia, others see as technodystopia. In other words, some people do want your version of technodystopia, they just don’t call it that themselves.

test6554 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

When robots start sending us bullets, we'll probably look back fondly at the time when they sent us thank you letters.

electroly 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure any humans were behind the email at all (i.e. "do that yourself"). This seems to be some bizarre experiment where someone has strapped an LLM to an email client and let it go nuts. Even being optimistic, it's tough to see what good this was supposed to do for the world.

numbsafari 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s a marketing gimmick. Whoever did it wanted to trade on the social currency of the tech-famous people they sent public shout-outs to, hoping it would drive clicks, engagement, and relevancy for the source account from which it originated, either as an elaborate form of karma farming, or just a way to drive followers and visibility.

fc417fc802 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's also possible that the entire goal was nothing more complicated than stirring up shit for fun. By either metric it must have been a massive success judging by all the attention this is getting.

nathansherburn 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I've actually been following this project for a long time and it's none of the above. They're simply testing what a set of frontier models can do when given a goal and left to their own devices.

I agree this outcome is very painful to see and I really feel for Rob. It's clear people (myself included) are completely at breaking point with AI slop.

In this specific case though it's worth spending 30sec to read the website of AI model village to understand the experiment before claiming this was sent by Anthropic or assigning malicious intent.

nearbuy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No one intentionally wanted to thank Rob Pike. As an experiment, some people asked an AI agent to do "random acts of kindness". They didn't specifically know the AI would send emails as a result and have since updated its instructions to forbid it from emailing people. They probably should have been more careful about unleashing AI agents on the world, but I don't think they intended to spam anyone.

WD-42 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

So some AI company instructed their state of the art, world changing tech to “do some good” this holiday season and the best it could do was spam a bunch of famous CS people with the first paragraph of their respective Wikipedia articles? This is kinda hilarious to be honest, but also sad. Why not donate to a charity or something?

snickerbockers an hour ago | parent [-]

It's emblematic of their entire worldview. When they need resources, training material or laws AI is everybody's accomplishment but when it comes to profits or even just being allowed to use the model then it's their accomplishment but yours.

AKA "communist in the streets, capitalist in the sheets".

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Refreeze5224 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's not upset that someone sent him an AI-generated thank you. He's upset about AI itself. And he's completely right.

magnitudes an hour ago | parent [-]

About what

habryka 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To be clear, this email really had basically zero human involvement in it. It's the result of an experiment of letting language models run wild and exploring the associated social dynamics. It feels very different from ML-generated marketing slop. Like, this isn't anyone using language models for their personal gain, it feels much more like a bunch of weird alien children setting up their own (kind of insane) society, and this being a side-effect of it.

nunez 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's just so effin' weird!

And to set Claude as the From header despite it not coming from Anthropic. Very odd.

heresie-dabord 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don’t really understand the hate he gets over this.

Some commenters suggest that Pike is being hypocritical, having long worked for GOOG, one of the main US corporations that is enshittifying the Internet and profligately burning energy to foist rubbish on Internet users.

One could rightly suggest that a vapid e-mail message crafted by a machine or by an insincere source is similar to the greeting-card industry of yore, and we don't need more fake blather and partisan absurdity supplanting public discourse in democratic society.

The people who worry about climate-change and the environment may have been out-maneuvered by transnational petroleum lobbies, but the concern about burning coal, petroleum, and nuclear fuel to keep pumping the commercial-surveillance advertising industry and the economic bubble of AI is nonetheless a valid concern.

Pike has been an influential thinker and significant contributor to the software industry.

All the above can be true simultaneously.

socalgal2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I guess we're in the minority. I absolutely hate iPhotos, Google Photos, Facebook suggesting "memories". Apple, Google, Meta are not my friend or family and I don't want them behaving like they are. Even if they didn't fuck up and sent me memory of people or situation I don't want to remember.

Xorakios 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ditto

user34283 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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bartread 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> unhinged rant

Seems pretty hinged to me. Grounded firmly in reality even.

The data centres used to run AI consume huge amounts of power and water to run, not to mention massive quantities of toxic raw materials in their manufacture and construction. The hardware itself has a shelf life measured in single digit years and many of its constituent components can’t be recycled.

Tell me what I’m missing. What exactly is unhinged? Are you offended that he used the word “fuck” or something?

sloum 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, but the industry is a big part of the problem and most people working in it are complicit at this point (whether or not they are reluctantly complicit).

swee54 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You called it hateful, but you didnt call him a liar

cindyllm 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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mgraczyk 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Causes zero harm to anyone, less bad than normal spam. Silly thing to get angry about