> Google has been burning compute for the past 25 years to shove ads at people. We all lost there, too, but he apparently didn’t mind that.

How much of that compute was for the ads themselves vs the software useful enough to compel people to look at the ads?

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moltopoco 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Have you dived into the destructive brainrot that YouTube serves to millions of kids who (sadly) use it unattended each day? Even much of Google's non-ad software is a cancer on humanity.

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NewJazz 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Have you dived into the mountains of informative content that youtube also makes available to everyone on earth?

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ribosometronome 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Will you be responding similarly to Pike? I think the parent comment is illustrating the same sort of logic that we're all downwind of, if you think it's flawed, I think you've perhaps discovered the point they were making.

	▲	NewJazz 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah that's a fair point. The line is pretty arbitrary.

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Y_Y 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hey, this bathwater has tracea of baby in it!

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mrguyorama 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Only if you believe in water memory or homeopathy.

To stretch the analogy, all the "babies" in the "bathwater" of youtube that I follow are busy throwing themselves out by creating or joining alternative platforms, having to publicly decry the actions Google takes that make their lives worse and their jobs harder, and ensuring they have very diversified income streams and productions to ensure that WHEN, not IF youtube fucks them, they won't be homeless.

They mostly use Youtube as an advertising platform for driving people to patreon, nebula, whatever the new guntube is called, twitch, literal conventions now, tours, etc.

They've been expecting youtube to go away for decades. Many of them have already survived multiple service deaths, like former Vine creator Drew Gooden, or have had their business radically changed by google product decisions already.

	▲	Y_Y 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's a bit harsh, I'll have you know I have a Nebula subscription and strong feelings about psuedomedicine.

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IncreasePosts 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is like saying libraries are bad because people a lot of people check out 50 shades of gray

	▲	Imustaskforhelp 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes I agree although I still believe that there is some tangential truth in parent comment when you think about it. I am not accurate about google but facebook definitely has some of the most dystopian tracking I have heard. I might read the facebook files some day but the dystopian fact that facebook tracks young girls and sees if that they delete their photos, they must feel insecure and serves them beauty ads is beyond predatory. Honestly, my opinion is that something should be done about both of these issues. But also its not a gotcha moment for Rob pike that he himself was plotting up the ads or something. Regarding the "iphone kids", I feel as if the best thing is probably an parental level intervention rather than waiting for an regulatory crackdown since lets be honest, some kids would just download another app which might not have that regulation. Australia is implementing social media ban basically for kids but I don't think its gonna work out but everyone's looking at it to see what's gonna happen basically. Personally I don't think social media ban can work if VPN's just exist but maybe they can create such an immense friction but then again I assume that this friction might just become norm. I assume many of you guys must have been using internet from the terminal days where the friction was definitely there but the allure still beat the friction.

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palmotea 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How does the compute required for that compare to the compute required to serve LLM requests? There's a lot of goal-post moving going on here, to justify the whataboutism.

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fsociety 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real answer is the unsatisfying but true “my shit doesn’t stink but yours sure does”

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mvdtnz 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry what does this have to do with the question you're responding to?

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Ericson2314 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've long wondered about this ratio! Does anyone know? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is "no".