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olivierestsage 11 hours ago

Big vibe shift against AI right now among all the non-tech people I know (and some of the tech people). Ignoring this reaction and saying "it's inevitable/you're luddites" (as I'm seeing in this thread) is not going to help the PR situation

mdavidn 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This holiday season, hearing my parents rant about AI features unnaturally forced onto their daily gadgets warmed my heart.

ewoodrich an hour ago | parent [-]

Hah, I was listening to a similar conversation that began with family members working in the school system complaining about AI slop that began (relatively) harmlessly in day-to-day email conversations padded with time wasting filler but now has trickled down into "professional" education materials and even textbooks.

Which led to a lot of agreement and rants from others with frustrating stories about their specific workplaces and how it just keeps getting worse by the day. Previously these conversations just popped up among me and the handful of family in tech but clearly now has much broader resonance.

As can be observed in my comment history, I use LLM agentic tools for software dev at work and on my personal projects (really my only AI use case) but cringe whenever I encounter "workslop" as it almost invariably serves to waste my time. My company has been doing a large pilot of 365 Copilot but I have yet to find anything useful, the email writing tools just seems to strip out my personal voice making me sound like I'm writing unsolicited marketing spam.

Every single time I've been using some Microsoft product and think "Hmm, wait maybe the Copilot button could actually be useful here?", it just tells me it can't help or gives me a link to a generic help page. It's like Microsoft deliberately engineered 365 Copilot to be as unhelpful as possible while simultaneously putting a Copilot button on every single visible surface imaginable.

The only tool that actually does something is designed to ruin emails by stripping out personal tone/voice and introducing ambiguity to waste the other person's time. Awesome, thanks for the productivity boost, Microsoft!

mold_aid 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah I also like the "And yet other technologies also use water, hmmm, curious" responses

dcre 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do you reconcile the sense that there's a vibe shift with the usage numbers: about a billion weekly users of ChatGPT and Gemini and continuing to grow.

ares623 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s a bit cheating though particularly for Gemini. It’s been inserted into something that already had high usage numbers.

dcre 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think that’s right, and it’s telling that this is the response every time I mention these numbers. The numbers I’ve seen are Gemini web and mobile app users, which are explicitly distinguished from AI summaries and AI mode in search.

“Google said in October that the Gemini app’s monthly active users swelled to 650 million from 350 million in March. AI Overviews, which uses generative AI to summarize answers to queries, has 2 billion monthly users.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/20/josh-woodward-google-gemini-...

remus 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It might help you get there faster, but a billion users is still a billion users. Clearly they all find some value in it.

ares623 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Again, cheating. There's no off button for the damn things.

bdangubic 5 hours ago | parent [-]

how about this one: https://www.levels.fyi/2025/

AI/ML Is Now Core Engineering From niche specialty to one of the largest and highest-paid SWE tracks in 2025

off button or not, money in the bank (pay special attention to highest-paid part… ;) )

array_key_first 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Everyone knows there's big money in AI right now, what people are skeptical on is how based in reality that is. Personally, I think there's little plans for profitability and this is all going to come crashing down sooner or later. Same reason I don't care much for MAU.

bdangubic an hour ago | parent [-]

while you and bunch of other people are waiting for this “reality” and “crash” to come the rest of us are building amazing shit in the present (actual) reality :)

ares623 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No amount of TC is gonna insulate these IC’s that their beloved AI future is promised to bring.

bdangubic 3 hours ago | parent [-]

the future is already here

nunez 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What percentage of those billion users that aren't bots are being forced to use it in some way? Does that figure count the AI Summaries at the top of Google search results or the AI review Summaries in Maps that you can't turn off? Or the millions of Gemini integrations that Google added to its products?

dcre 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

It does not count AI summaries; they break that out explicitly. I don’t think it includes other integrations either, though it’s less clear.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46395744

olivierestsage 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can only speculate, but people can feel resentful toward a technology while still using it. "I need this shitty tool for work but I'm increasingly uncomfortable with its social/environmental/economic/etc. implications."

I think that most of the people who react negatively to AI (myself included) aren't claiming that it's simply a useless slop machine that can't accomplish anything, but rather that its "success" in certain problem spaces is going to create problems for our society

riskable 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The very people that whine and bitch that "AI is bad" will enunciate their complaints via their phone's AI-driven speech recognition feature.

It's pure cognitive dissonance.

nunez 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Different kind of AI

trinsic2 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe for the people who know the technology. But average joes don't allways know if they are using GenAI. So your statement is a bit misleading.

krainboltgreene 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When have you ever seen this thought process work on someone?

"Wow, you're right, I use programs that make decisions and that means I can't be mad about companies who make LLMs."

Surely a 100% failure rate would change your strategy.

spencerflem 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

AI Speech Recognition isn’t a plagiarism and spam machine

JeremyNT 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

N of 1, I use Gemini a lot for research and find it very helpful, but I still loathe the creep of GenAI slop and the consolidation of power in tech conglomerates (which own the models and infrastructure).

Not all of these things are equivalent.

bombdailer 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nothing wrong with being a luddite. In time more people will be proud to be luddites, and I can see AI simps becoming the recipients of all the scorn.