I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time.

There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.

frankzander 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at least accept certain positions even if it's not your position because otherwise you are silly or something else.

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jasonvorhe an hour ago | parent | next [-]

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025.

Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looking for, great, I'm not judging, it just doesn't click with me. I used to visit hackerpaces during my travels but regardless of how open and kind I approach a new place, once they ask me to mask up or inquire for my pronouns things just don't end well, even if I'm really polite in explaining my position. That's not the tolerance and open mindedness I encountered around 2009 during my first C3.

Still, I wish everyone attending the best of times. There's so many people there that I imagine you'll be able to find the right folks if you're there and look around.

Not looking for a debate or inciting hate towards anyone here.

	▲	meibo 11 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Culture changes. Hacker culture in Europe changed too, young people are moving up and taking positions in local organizations. You didn't change with it, and you're not open to accepting that change, so you are feeling out of place - that's simply how this works. A lot of those people will feel welcomed and will be treated with respect that they don't usually get everywhere else. They decided to embrace that, it comes at a cost - like you feeling weirded out and not showing up - but they're probably fine with that being your problem to figure out.
	▲	izacus 2 minutes ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Yeah, it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space. The fact that your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks that's been running those spaces for decades doesn't help either. They didn't change. You however became soemthing they alway despised.
	▲	slurrpurr 42 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Really matches my experience. Sometime during covid they really moved off the rails

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pinkgolem an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You might align less with the points brought forward, but the amount of politics has not changed much in my perception.

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izacus an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event.

There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.

	▲	charcircuit 41 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Even if it was equally or less political than before, it could still be too political for someone that would be worth including.

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slurrpurr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

Every year the needle gets moved more

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pinkgolem an hour ago | parent [-]

Such talks have been part of ccc for decades?

I am getting more and more confused

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slurrpurr an hour ago | parent [-]

Not really, look at the schedule for 34c3. Much more interesting things and less politics. And it also has felt more and more forced in the last couple years

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pinkgolem an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher"

That's non political?

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slurrpurr 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3

Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers

	▲	fredoliveira 11 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Can you point to some?

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hxbdbehd an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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