Color me confused, but what do containers add to FreeBSD beyond jails? Jails have their own IP addresses and root filesystem, plus they use the host OS's version of libc and OpenSSL/LibreSSL and all the other core utils.

Is it the convenience utilities for building and running container images?

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dang 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I was joking. There is no container. (We don't use jails either.)

	▲	president_zippy 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		But alas, FreeBSD does support OCI container images! It supports Podman and has an OCI-compliant runtime: https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/oci-containers-on-freebsd... However, I still can't pinpoint what the value proposition is compared to using jails. Is there anybody around here able and willing to shed some light? I know I didn't use Cunningham's Law to start the conversation like a clever netizen but maybe, just this once, a good faith response to a good faith question is possible.

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ashton314 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The power to serve

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jagged-chisel 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Restart?!

ouch

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basilikum 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

HN is a pretty simple, efficient monolithic web application. Some updates might need a restart. It's OK for some web requests to fail during that time. HN isn't life critical with sixtuple nine uptime requirements.

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sallveburrpi 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tbh like 99% of web apps aren’t critical - most of them are for buying something or providing infrastructure to make it easier to buy something anyway. It’s fine if your online shop is down for a few minutes (of course the business won’t see it like that but it’s true)

	▲	basilikum 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		A sales site being down might lose you a sale. But the simplicity might save you so muh more than that loses you. And often the complexion of high availability infrastructure results in more downtime than it prevents. For stuff like HN, I like the peek behind the scenes it provides. It's all just software written by some humans and way too often people take themselves and their shitty software way too serious.

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lomase 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Steam, +130 million users, biggest gamming store, multi billion dolar company, is offline every week for a few minutes.

99.999999 is so overated.

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uyzstvqs 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It could probably be done with a simple if statement, but I'm guessing that dang enjoys the tradition of doing it manually every year.

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kelnos 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel like this obsession with zero downtime has gotten a bit silly. Sure, for some things it's damn near required (though I imagine that's fewer things than most people think), but it 100% does not matter even a little bit if HN is unavailable for 10 seconds or so.

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dang 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd rather restart once (ok, twice) a year than keep that code around in production all the time.

It only affects traffic for about 10 seconds.