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Is Northern Virginia still the least reliable AWS region?(statusgator.com)
64 points by colinbartlett 4 hours ago | 30 comments
kankerlijer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

There are only two kinds of cloud regions: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses

yibers 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ass covering-wise, you are probably better off going down with everyone else on us-east-1. The not so fun alternative: being targeted during an RCA explaining why you chose some random zone no one ever heard of.

rconti 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Places nobody's ever heard of like "Ohio" or "Oregon"?

Yeah, I'm not worried about being targeted in an RCA and pointedly asked why I chose a region with way better uptime than `us-tirefire-1`.

What _is_ worth considering is whether your more carefully considered region will perform better during an actual outage where some critical AWS resource goes down in Virginia, taking my region with it anyway.

xingped an hour ago | parent [-]

IIRC, some AWS services are solely deployed on and/or entirely dependent on us-east-1. I don't recall which ones, but I very distinctly remember this coming up once.

nothrabannosir 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

CloudFront certificates

cj an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

AWS IAM has caused multiple cross-region outages.

nothrabannosir 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> being targeted during an RCA explaining why you chose some random zone no one ever heard of.

“Duh, because there’s an AZ in there where you can’t configure EBS volumes for attachment to fargate launch type ECS tasks, of course. Everybody knows that…”

:p

kristianc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find it funny that we see complaints about why software quality has got worse alongside people advocating to choose objectively risky AWS regions for career risk and blame minimisation reasons.

goalieca an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This was always the case. The OG saying was “no one got fired for buying IBM”. Then it was changed to Microsoft. And so on..

throwawaysleep 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They are for the same reason. How do customers react to either? If us-east-1 fails, nobody complains. If Microsoft uses a browser to render components on Windows and eats all of your RAM, nobody complains.

riffic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

how about following the well-architected framework and building something with a suitable level of 9s where you can justify your decisions during a blameless postmortem (please stamp your buzzword bingo card for a prize.)

paradox460 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We vibe code everything in flavor of the month node frameworks, tyvm, because elixir is too hard to hire for (or some equally inane excuse)

DANmode 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree with your post conceptually.

However: Don’t underestimate community support (in the areas you’re likely to want it) when comparing development stacks.

throwawaysleep 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This to me was the real lesson of the outage. A us-east-1 outage is treated like bad weather. A regional outage can be blamed on the dev. us-east-1 is too big to get blamed, which is why it should be the region of choice for an employee.

dontdoxxme 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why aren't you using IBM cloud?

throwawaysleep an hour ago | parent [-]

If IBM still had a good reputation, I probably would.

thejosh 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bandwidth cost is also another major reason.

nadis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cackling while reading this visiting my family in Northern Virginia for the holidays. Despite it being a prominent place in the history of the web, it's still the least reliable AWS region (for now).

rayiner an hour ago | parent [-]

Its nice to know that where I grew up is Too Big to Fail lol.

davidfstr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I intentionally avoid using us-east-1 for anything, since I’ve seen so many outages.

temp0826 2 hours ago | parent [-]

us-east-1 is often a lynchpin for services worldwide. Something hinky happening to dns or dynamodb in us-east-1 will probably wreck your day regardless of where you set up shop.

david_shaw 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, it's the least reliable. Thanks for summarizing the data here to illustrate the issue.

It's often seen as the "standard" or "default" region to use when spinning up new US-based AWS services, is the oldest AWS center, has the most interconnected systems, and likely has the highest average load.

It makes sense that us-east-1 has reliability problems, but I wish Amazon was a little more upfront about some of the risks when choosing that zone.

Forgeties79 an hour ago | parent [-]

Nobody ever got fired for connecting to us-east-1

the__alchemist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know if this is still true, or related, but that area used to be (Circa 10-30 years ago) very highly prone to power outages. The reason was lots of old trees near the lines that would inevitably fall; blackouts in local areas were common due to this.

noosphr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At 34 hours of downtime that's two nines of uptime

At this point my garage is tied for reliability with us-east-1 largely because it got flooded 8 month ago.

emersonrsantos an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Glad to use us-west-2 for reasons.

therobots927 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Of course it is, all of the NSA men in the middle add a lot of overhead that can interfere with regular operations.

arusahni 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The sorting for the "Duration" column appears to be lexicographical, not numeric.

secondcoming 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We get constant resource issues in GCP’s us-east4 region

theturtle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I searched for it, and did not find, the word "backhoe."

Big fail.

I have said for years, never ascribe to terrorism what can be attributed to some backhoe operator in Ashburn, Virginia.

We got a lotta backhoes in northern Virginia.