Any computer that can't run Windows 11 is almost a decade old. There has been plenty of improvement. Compare a laptop with a high end Intel i7 7920HK to even a lower end part like the Core Ultra 5 226V. Right now prices on pre-builts and laptops aren't totally reflecting the craziness at least.

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bluescrn 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A decade in computing used to mean revolutionary improvements:

- from the C64 to the Pentium

- from the Playstation 1 to the Xbox360

- from the Nokia 3310 to the iPhone 4.

Each of these in roughly a decade.

But 2015-2025 in terms of desktop PCs? Some decent (but not revolutionary) steps forward with GPUs, and much more affordable+speedy SSDs. But everything else has been pretty small and incremental.

And when enthusiasts upgrade, the old parts usually find new homes. My old 6th-gen i7 from a decade ago still has more than enough power for my Dad to use as a home PC for basic photo editing, web browsing, and spreadsheets. But Win10 end-of-life wants to turn that machine into e-waste.

	▲	antod 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think that is normal across most technologies or fields. Progress is an S curve (or series of curves), and it's easy to be amazed when looking at the steep bit. Early on progress is slow due to not much investment and going down lots of dead ends, while later progress faces increased complexity and no low hanging fruit left. The middle bit is where the disadvantages of the early phase has gone, but the disadvantages of late phase hasn't kicked in yet.

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detritus 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cool, but my decade-old machine works perfectly well for my needs, as too I imagine a million other such machines.

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chocochunks 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm sure it works, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been improvements.

	▲	Levitz 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Which doesn't count for that much when a whole lot of stuff has also become worse. There's a reason as to why people were reluctant to jump on win10. There's a reason people didn't want win8 at all.
	▲	jazzyjackson 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Not a lot of people benefit from having 20 cores to hit.
	▲	LtWorf 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		If by improvements you mean that suspend works like shit on newer machines, yes there have been.
	▲	ErroneousBosh 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Not really. Improvements like what? I have a brand-new work laptop which absolutely crawls compared to my nearly-15-year-old Thinkpad T430. Is this slowness the Windows 11 advantage? My personal laptop runs plain ordinary Ubuntu 24.04 perfectly, and everything works.

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dotancohen 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My daily desktop is mostly 2012 vintage. This hardware is still in use and works fine.

For what it's worth, that machine is being used while I upgrade my 2001 Computer Of Theseus once more. It's now getting it's third motherboard with CPU - this one salvaged from a 2018 or 2019 gaming machine. It's on its second case, and has seen more hard drive and memory upgrades than I can count - all of them piecemeal. Other than perhaps the motherboard screws and hard drive screws, I'm not sure if anything actually purchased in 2001 still survives in there. Maybe the power cable and pc speaker. And I don't remember ever replacing the rear case fan now that I'm looking at it.

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CrzyLngPwd 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It's triggers broom :-p

	▲	sys_64738 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Anybody who can upgrade a computer completely deserves a medal from the council.

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ungreased0675 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But somehow, apps and websites load just as fast on my decade old personal laptop as on my brand new work laptop.

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ack_complete 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The antivirus / EDR / monitoring / inventory software that most corporate IT departments installs ages computers ten years. We constantly had problems with such services slamming the disk, holding files open, breaking software, running CPUs at 100%, etc.

	▲	somehnguy 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Crowdstrike Falcon is likely the only reason my work M1 Pro machine runs like a dog. Any time it's being a laggy piece of junk you can open Activity Monitor and see Falcon just slamming it.
	▲	anthk 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Not my problem. You wouldn't need an antivirus with a properly locked browser with UBlock Origin and OFC no damn HTML email. GPO's blocking anything not being under an executable whitelist. If any, your email client should open any attachment under a sandbox, such as Sandboxie, under a libre license: https://github.com/sandboxie-plus/Sandboxie Of course no Office macros would be allowed, ever.

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odie5533 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many budget laptops from 2020 don't support Windows 11. HP laptops with AMD A4-9125, HP notebooks with AMD A6-7310 APU, HP Envy x360 models with first-generation AMD Ryzen processors.

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beached_whale 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

2020 Apple MacBook pro has an i9-9880HK, more than enough, but lacks TPM2.0. The issue is this is just a waste of resources and money for a large number of people and the TPM2.0 requirement is silly.