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nradov 6 hours ago

By any objective metric the world is less broken than ever before. But people who want to be defeatist and cynical can always find a plausible sounding reason to justify their negativity regardless of the facts. I'm part of an older generation and not burnt out or existentially starving or whatever. And more importantly I'm not actually starving or dying of plague or being sent off to die for my king or any of the other horrors that were a routine part of human existence for most people before the modern era.

rozap 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They want to be able to afford a house. Historically, in the US at least, for lower and middle class people that has been within reach. Now that's not the case. If I was in my late 20s and was lighting thousands per month on fire in rent, it'd be pretty darn alienating. Sure, if you zoom out far enough, the standard of living for zoomers is pretty good, there's not a mass casualty event when the potato crop fails. But if you don't (and I'd argue, you shouldn't) it's pretty clear that their economic prospects are worse than their parents. That is pretty bleak. It's no wonder why they're politically more radical than the other generations.

Put in the simplest terms: Economic nihilism happens when no house.

nradov 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Affording a house is totally within reach if you want to make it a priority. Quite a few US states have both a low unemployment rate and a high homeownership rate. Try Vermont, Alabama, Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, Wyoming, etc. I understand that failed progressive policies have ruined opportunities for youths in some other states and that sucks but nationwide the future is still bright.

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

https://www.statsamerica.org/sip/rank_list.aspx?rank_label=h...

asdff 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They don't want just a house though. They want a house in a "cool" area. Look at median home prices in rust belt cities. Mortgages around $2k a month or so. Very doable for a lot of people but you never hear a drum beat about this. You never hear about people moving to these cities unless they have family there already to remind them that, hey, this is in fact a great deal.

techblueberry 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A yes, the rust belt, where folks are famously living like fat cats.

throwaway173738 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Detroit used to suck, but it seems like enough millenials took that deal that it’s way better than ten years ago.

beej71 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Used to be you could buy a starter home in those cool places. I live in one today with a $1200 mortgage. Good luck buying that now, kids.

lovich 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are there jobs in those cities who sit in an area named after their economic collapse?

Do student loan costs go down if you move to a low cost of living area?

We had some movement in the direction of people immigrating to low cost areas like that with the rise of remote work, but then execs decided they didn’t like not having control over their workers live and did RTO. To their offices in the cities with high rent and home prices.

You never heard about people taking that “great deal” because it’s not a great deal. Like really, you think there’s money left on the table like that and there’s not at least some low double digit percentage of the population that would have sought out the benefit? Or is it more likely the market evaluated the option and it’s not good

cosmic_cheese 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly. Do people want to live in desirable areas? Absolutely. The much bigger draw to expensive metros, however, are the vastly more robust job prospects that come with those areas.

In a city, you have both much better chances of finding employment suited to your skills specifically, better chances of being paid well for it, and better chances of upwards mobility. Plus, should it become necessary you're more likely to be able to find something to keep the bills paid with even if it's not what you'd like to be doing.

Low CoL areas by contrast come with scant employment that's generally poorly compensated and almost always has a low ceiling.

In some cases one can commute into the city for work and live in LCoL area, but then you're burning time — multiple hours each day, usually — that you'll never get back on your employer instead of yourself or with your family, plus the myriad expenses that come with driving that far and often.

nradov 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Which skills do you mean? If you're talking about skills in software development or investment banking then that might be true. But skills in welding or nursing can be applied anywhere.

icedrift 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Per Atrioc

rozap 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I've been got

jfengel 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As an American, I am surrounded by people who are so convinced that their country is awful that they want to basically abolish vast swathes of the government. Their elected representatives say extremely negative things about my beliefs, literally every single day, including veiled and not-so-veiled threats.

The world may be physically comfortable but I do not feel safe. And that's because they do not feel safe from me. I don't want to sound defeatist but there is no objective way to describe it without sounding cynical.

nemomarx 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think anyone is comparing to old monarchies or etc, they're mentally comparing it to the 1950s and 60s and the postwar economic boom times.

You can point out that things weren't as good as they're presented back then either, or that people are falling for advertising, but no one is really impressed that their living standard is better than the 1800s or earlier.

nradov 5 hours ago | parent [-]

People should be impressed. We're doing a terrible job of teaching history. "Everything is amazing right now and nobody is happy."

asdff 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everytime someone says something like "how can I bring a kid into this world" I assume they know absolutely nothing about history at all. Be thankful your ancestors didn't think that when they were faced with actual life and death on the line, versus these people today being miffed that their apartment isn't as large as they'd like or they have to commute a little farther in or live in a city not featured in mass media.

wat10000 4 hours ago | parent [-]

This presumes I'm thankful for being in this world they gave us, which is not a given.

asdff 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Be thankful you have the intelligence to even have such thoughts at all.

wat10000 an hour ago | parent [-]

I don’t know, less intelligent people often seem happier.

icedrift 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Speaking for my friends in their mid to late 20s, if you have a reasonable plan to get to a point where you can invest in your future as opposed to simply burning every last drop of income on mandatory expenses like food, housing and insurance I agree. When you can't foresee a way to get there you lack economic agency, economic nihilism is a rational response.

tehjoker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the take all the younger generations complain about. Boomers had it good, laid waste to the world and the international scene and wonder why everyone else is bitter.

YC543897594387 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Under liberal capitalism, how you feel about the state of the world/economy is going to always be tied to how much money you're bringing in every month, so making a comment about how things are actually fine and Gen Z are "negative" and ungrateful is pointless if you're not going to make clear your own economic standing relative to others. I would be surprised if you're delivering Uber Eats with a Bachelor's degree, as many of Gen Z are doing today, considering the sentiment expressed.