| ▲ | prmoustache 7 hours ago |
| In late 2025, there are plenty of alternatives: Linux
FreeBSD
NetBSD
OpenBSD
DragonflyBSD
Haiku
Plan9
Redox
ReactOS
Debian Gnu/Hurd
FreeDOS
Genode SculptOS And probably some others I haven't heard of. Using Windows in 2025 AND complaining about it is complaining about a self inflicted wound. |
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| ▲ | tombert 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Realistically only four of those are viable for modern workflows (Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD). It would be pretty hard to use Plan 9 or Genode/SculptOS with seL4 as a typical desktop OS. Haiku is almost there, but I think it still has a ways to go before being anywhere close to adequate for my typical desktop use. I agree with the sentiment though; nowadays Linux has gotten good enough for most stuff, to a point where I don't really see why anyone still runs Windows. If only I could convince my parents of that... |
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| ▲ | Levitz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >I agree with the sentiment though; nowadays Linux has gotten good enough for most stuff, to a point where I don't really see why anyone still runs Windows. If only I could convince my parents of that... Ask yourself why your parents still use windows and you'll have your response. I've been using Arch for about two months now. It's been great, yeah, but it's still a massive, long drawn exercise of friction because I have two literal decades of experience using a windows machine. That experience has value and the idea of throwing it away is a barrier. | | |
| ▲ | Telaneo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Ask yourself why your parents still use windows and you'll have your response. They don't. They switched over to iPad 10-ish years ago. Most normies I know use phones and/or tablets full-time for their personal computing. Laptops and desktops are either work machines, for games, or for work without wages (studies, excel, other things which are inconvenient or impossible on a phone). Grandma is on Linux Mint since she still wants to do her banking on a computer and not an iPad. She'd be on Windows 11 if I weren't her tech support, since then she'd have bought whatever idiot at the local shop would have recommended, wasting a lot of money, and probably still have thrown her arms up in despair after a while due to the shit user experience. If the local shop had machines with Mint preinstalled, I'd imagine that would have gone well, if a lot slower than it would have with my help. No Windows casual out there has ever even installed Windows, never mind another OS, on their computer, even if they theoretically want to. They can't have what they don't know about, and that barrier is probably never going to go away. | | |
| ▲ | yesco 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Completely agree. Modern computers are basically just web terminals for most people, so a basic Linux distro + browser is all they need. Windows is actually terrible for non-technical users now. The constant pop-ups, nagging messages, and decision prompts create genuine anxiety. People don't know what they're clicking on half the time. Yet somehow most technical people I talk to haven't caught on to this. Look at what younger generations are actually using: Chromebooks in schools, Google Drive instead of Microsoft Office. Even people who legitimately need Office aren't on Windows anymore, they're on Macbooks. That's the case at my company anyway. At this point Windows is really just gamers, engineers who need CAD, and office workers stuck on it from inertia. There's nothing inherently attracting new users to the platform anymore. I honestly don't know who their primary audience even is at this point. |
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| ▲ | antod 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Ask yourself why your parents still use windows and you'll have your response. Because if they switch to Linux, I'll be on the hook for tech support. If they stay on windows, then it's mainly my brother's problem. BTW Windows doesn't seem easy or make much sense to them at all either. Linux wouldn't be any harder for them aside from getting support from random places, or buying random bits of junk with no research expecting them to kinda work. |
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| ▲ | mr_person 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The more likely option than any of these excellent free options is going to be MacOS… just because your average user with even semi-technical inclination does not want to use LibreOffice Present; they want PowerPoint. I have just seen this first hand with my significant other: they are very technical and more than capable of it, but have zero interest in learning Linux and instead just bought a MacBook on Black Friday specials when their 5 year old HP laptop finally got too annoying to use. |
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| ▲ | prmoustache 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, I didn't mention MacOS because it is not installable on the author's win10 computer. Also, MacOs is as difficult to learn as Linux is for someone who never used it. Resistance to change exist in all directions. | |
| ▲ | prmoustache 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most people are fine with the web version of Powerpoint. |
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| ▲ | brooke2k 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Having a job that requires Windows is not what I would call self-inflicted. |
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| ▲ | prmoustache 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is besides the point. In that case it is self-inflicted by the company choosing to depend on it. | | |
| ▲ | AdrianB1 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Until recently (<10 years ago) Windows and native Windows apps (like Office) were the norm in most companies. Almost all employees knew how to use Windows. Re-training all was difficult. Now, with mostly web-apps for most non-IT employees it is a realistic change, but I am still not sure corporations will want to run without Active Directory and Crowdstrike. |
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| ▲ | db48x 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | True. It is a would inflicted by your employer in that case. Maybe you could find a different one that doesn’t inflict such wounds. | | |
| ▲ | detritus 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | What a bubble you exist in. I'm self-employed and my entire suite of software is either windows or apple only and I have 'been a pc' for nearly thirty years and have pc hardware that fulfills all my requirements and can't run apple software. I'm eyeing up a shift to apple when my current hardware fails me, but it's impossible for me to just go Linux. | | |
| ▲ | tombert 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think in your situation I'd use a Mac just because they don't show you a bunch of advertising bullshit all the time, but I do understand the overall point: a lot of software simply doesn't exist on Linux. Wine is getting better and better, but it's still not perfect yet. I am so wishing that they figure out a way to get modern MS Office working, and then I feel like a lot of people's only reasons for staying on Windows would suddenly disappear. | |
| ▲ | mistercheph 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You are a digital serf, dependent on the good will and love of a lord that gives you access in exchange for a tax. I really wish free(libre) tools existed that allowed you to do your work. Hopefully they will in the future, I am sure someone has tried/is trying to build them. | |
| ▲ | stOneskull 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | sounds like a bubble |
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| ▲ | layer8 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The job should give you Windows Enterprise with the correct group policies that disable most of the enshittification. Otherwise it’s self-inflicted. |
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| ▲ | Tempest1981 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think it would be less daunting for many if there were 1 or 2 popular alternatives to rally around. Including window managers / desktop environments. (Granted, it's nice they can all coexist peacefully.) |
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| ▲ | askvictor 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are a handful of popular Linux distros. Ubuntu is probably the most beginner-friendly one with the most staying power; it's the easiest place to start if you have no other ideas/requirements. The thing is, a healthy ecosystem thrives on diversity. Rallying behind one or two tends towards a monoculture. | |
| ▲ | dullcrisp 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think Linux is the most popular of the alternatives listed. | | |
| ▲ | Telaneo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Linux is not a single alternative. It's hundreds if you start digging, and even if you whittle it down to noob-friendly not-completely-idiotic choices, something the proverbial noob are probably incapable of or unwilling to do, there are still like, 5+ decent options to pick from. Asking the proveribal noob to pick from Mint, Ubuntu, Pop, Bazzite, Suse, Debian, Fedora, or any other option is a big ask. There's a lot to take in, especially for someone who just want their computer to work and not dick about with silly bullshit. It's good that there are options, but most people aren't interested in having a dozen decent choices. They want one, solid, good choice, or at least obvious and clear reasons to pick the different options, and they certainly don't have time to try out everything between heaven and earth, especially for something that needs to Just™ Work™. | |
| ▲ | xeromal 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do I download linux | | |
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| ▲ | stephen_g 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I have one machine that runs Windows (apart from one Windows 11 VM on my Mac laptop I use for work), all this nonsense has got me to install Fedora on a separate M2 drive on it, and I haven't booted up Windows in a few days now. Will be an interesting experiment, I've run it before but more for fun, but will try to go as full time on that computer as possible. |
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| ▲ | XorNot 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I literally only use Windows for games. And I guess now RealityScan which is gaming adjacent. If I had the confidence that I could play a new release on Linux day 1 without trading an enormous amount of performance, I wouldn't need Windows at all. |
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| ▲ | robby_w_g 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Depending on your hardware and gaming needs, the current state of Linux gaming may already be enough. I run Arch with an Nvidia GPU (which historically had poor Linux support compared to AMD), and I’ve been able to play 100% of the games that I used to play on Windows with no noticeable performance decrease. There is one significant issue with Dx12 on nvidia, but even that has been root caused and should be fixed next year. |
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| ▲ | some-guy 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| My boomer mother in law could handle Linux whether it be GNOME or KDE. What she cannot handle is not being able to put in a DVD of Turbo Tax 20xx and double click the install button. Nor can she handle not having the native Outlook client, or Microsoft Word. Yes there are alternatives, and possibly even good enough web versions of these tools, but most of the world isn’t like you and me. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does TurboTax still distribute DVDs? I thought it was entirely online now. | | |
| ▲ | Telaneo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The point still stands though. It's no longer a DVD, but it's still a Windows program.[1] She still needs to be able to run turbotax2025.exe and have it work without issue. To be fair, it probably works. I doubt it's doing anything weird, so Wine should work, given a distro which will just take exes and pass them to Wine. But if it doesn't, TurboTax can't help her, where as they would have been able to help her if it was a true Windows install. [1] https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/cd-download/insta... |
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