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lateforwork 12 hours ago

He didn't mention one of the biggest reasons for not becoming famous: you'll have less room for mistakes. Take Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist, as an example. He made some racist remarks, a mistake he could’ve recovered from if he wasn’t famous. But because he is, he’s now marked for life, and there's no do-over.

Aurornis 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think that’s an accurate summary of his situation. He didn’t just make a single comment that marked him for life. He’s been doubling down for years and seems to be constantly running head-first into drama.

I didn’t have any opinions on his as a person other than enjoying some of his comics years ago. Then he started showing up in Twitter debates over and over again and there’s no erasing years of bizarre claims and statements from his public opinion. He’s definitely embracing his fame as a platform to push those views, not suffering victimization for one mistake years ago.

lateforwork 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, Scott Adams may not be a good example for the point I was trying to make, which is: Being under the public eye—all the time—has to be one of the top reasons to not be famous. The cost of any mistake is much higher when you are famous.

Another reason is to have normal interactions with other people. If you are famous you can't have normal interactions because you're treated with deference.

aleph_minus_one 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Take Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist, as an example. He made some racist remarks, a mistake he could’ve recovered from if he wasn’t famous. But because he is, he’s now marked for life, and there's no do-over.

From my echo chamber, I would rather claim that by these "politically incorrect" remarks and the controversies following it, he rather got a second wave of fans.

riazrizvi 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doomed for life, lol. The point of putting yourself out there is to show the world who you are, so you can connect with the right people. He showed the world a bit more, and better targeted his group of people. I bet there are plenty of people that still connect with him.

bhaak 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Recent examples rather show that you might be marked for life but most people don’t care how racist you are.

postflopclarity 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> he’s now marked for life, and there's no do-over.

sincere apologies, show of remorse, and substantially + genuinely changing the toxic behaviors goes a long way. there are several celebrities who have done "unforgivable" things and yet been forgiven by the public. the problem is that the kind of person liable to make such remarks is not the kind of person likely to do some introspection to realize they're being a terrible person.

lateforwork 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, you can do some repair, but the point is, it is much harder if you're famous. Being under the public eye—all the time—has to be one of the top reasons to not be famous.

tim333 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Scott Adams position was kind of he'd done nothing wrong and would keep on doing it.

ljlolel 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dude did not just make one racist comment. I’ve read some of his books and they’re dripping with racism. He’s been consistently racist for decades and still is.

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thunderfork 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I disagree with this framing, but I do think it's a relevant example - being famous seems to change the math on "changing your mind" for some people.

If Scott Adams had said some racist things at a work dinner, gotten written up, maybe he'd have moved past it... but now being Controversial™ is a core part of his brand, he's doubled down and doubled down...

knorker 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Uh, no. Scott Adams is not a one-mistake person. This is a years-and-years thing.

You're really rewriting history, here.

I have no problems forgiving people for mistakes, but no this is absolutely not one of those cases.

NotGMan 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're projecting. He is not marked for life: it's YOU who thinks he is.

Not him. He doesn't care what some clown online thinks of him.

lateforwork 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Did you notice he lost his source of income? Maybe it is not just me!

senshan 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Did it impact his quality of life? How?

watwut 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean common. The supposed marked for life people are coming back again and again. Even or especially when the supposed mistake is genuine ideological convinction they are actively propagating.

Adams mistaken remarks included holocaust denial.

ben_w 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> He made some racist remarks, a mistake he could’ve recovered from if he wasn’t famous.

My knowledge of the USA is imperfect. Certain stereotypes of the USA from the perspective of Americans do make it across the Atlantic to here. Are they correct or incorrect when they say the worse part of Thanksgiving is having to meet the racist in-laws?

Unless that stereotype is completely invented (and I accept that it might be, after all the UK had Boris Johnson), then "could've" doesn't imply "would've".