| ▲ | Etheryte a day ago |
| To put this into perspective, What.CD [0] was widely considered to be the music library of Alexandria, unparalleled in both its high quality standard and it's depth. What had in the ballpark of a few million torrents when it got raided and shut down. Anna's rip of Spotify includes roughly 186 million unique records. Granted, the tail end is a mixed bag of bot music and whatnot, but the scale is staggering. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What.CD |
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| ▲ | flxy a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think what earned what.cd that title wasn't necessarily just the amount but the quality, as you mentioned, as well as the obscurity of a lot of the offered material. I remember finding an early EP of an unknown local band on there, and I live in the middle of nowhere in Europe. There were also quite a few really old and niche records on there which possibly couldn't be put on streaming services due to the ownership of rights being unknown. It was the equivalent of vinyl crate digging without physical restrictions. Additionally there was a lot of discourse about music and a lot of curated discovery mechanisms I sorely miss to this day. An algorithm is no replacement for the amount of time and care people put into the web of similar artists, playlists of recommendations and reviews. Despite it being piracy, music consumption through it felt more purposeful. It's introduced me to some of my all time favourite artists, which I've seen live and own records and merchandise of. |
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| ▲ | sbarre 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I remember finding an early EP of an unknown local band on there So there was a clever trick that smaller artists did on what.cd: put up a really generous upload credit bounty for your own music, in order to sell digital copies. I knew a few bands in Toronto who did this as a way to make sales. They'd put up a big bounty right after setting up a webpage offering the album for sale via Paypal, then spend a few days collecting orders (and they would get a lot of them - hundreds sometimes - because What.cd had a lot of users looking for ratio credits) and then eventually email a link to the album after a few days. No idea what the scale of this trick/scam (call it whatever) was but anecdotally I heard about it enough. | |
| ▲ | toast0 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > There were also quite a few really old and niche records on there which possibly couldn't be put on streaming services due to the ownership of rights being unknown. Music licensing (in the US at least) is actually pretty nice for this (from the licensee perspective anyway). There are mechanical licenses which allow you to use music for many uses without contracting with the rightsholders and clearinghouses whose job is to determine where to send royalties. So you can use the music and send reporting and royalties to the clearing houses and you're done. Of course, you may want to contract with the rightsholders if you don't like the terms of the mechanical license; maybe it costs too much, etc. If you're Spotify or similar and you have specific contracts for most of the music, and have to pay mechanical license rates for the tail, it might make sense to do so in order to boast of a larger catalog. | |
| ▲ | some-guy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’m still using the “successor” to what.cd and I usually discover artists through random lists, “related artists”, among other things on the platform. One interesting way of discovering artists is finding an artist that I already like on a compilation CD, and then seeing what else is on the CD. | | |
| ▲ | david_p a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Would you share the name of that successor? I miss the old internet and would love to take a look. | | |
| ▲ | Narushia a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It's Redacted.sh, a.k.a. RED. They have around three million torrents. But like What.CD, Redacted.sh is a private tracker, so you can't just jump in and see the content. | | |
| ▲ | bgbntty2 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How does it compare to rutracker, especially for electrnic music? I've never used what.CD and rutracker seems to have lots of high quality music. | |
| ▲ | david_p 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thank you. I’m reading about them, cool project. I’ll try to join. |
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| ▲ | chrneu a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Another comment mentioned Redacted.sh as a successor. I haven't used it. I'm sure there's a subreddit around that can help. Looks like orpheus is another option if I'm reading correctly. You have to get an invite or pass an "interview" though, so be prepared to wait a while. |
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| ▲ | chrneu a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | the compilation album is a great idea. thanks for that. your comments in here have been helpful. have fun listening. |
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| ▲ | girvo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, What.CD had a bunch of the local Brisbane post-rock bands from the 00s on there which was amazing to me. I at least have copies of a lot of their records! | |
| ▲ | MarcelOlsz a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | email me please |
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| ▲ | VanTheBrand a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| True but What.cd had a tremendous amount of notable music not available on Spotify though because it was also sourced from cds, bootlegs, vinyl, tape etc whereas Spotify only includes music explicitly licensed for streaming. |
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| ▲ | Etheryte a day ago | parent | next [-] | | This is true and a category of music that got hit notably hard was live recordings. What had a wide array of live recordings made by sound engineers straight from the mixer. This is something that you simply cannot find now unless you maybe know a guy. | | |
| ▲ | qingcharles a day ago | parent | next [-] | | That's why I use YouTube Music as my streamer as they allow damned near anyone to upload any old rare record and then figure out the royalties somehow. | |
| ▲ | alxndr 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | FWIW archive.org has a lot of live music as well |
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| ▲ | leetbulb a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes. RIP a ton of very rare material. What.cd has a special place in my heart. | | |
| ▲ | some-guy a day ago | parent [-] | | Redacted.sh is a worthy successor, but the average person just doesn’t care about “which release is best” anymore. I use YT Music as a backup but Redacted is my main source of music these days. | | |
| ▲ | karamanolev a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Don't you consider it best to ... redact ... your post, as it's the only one mentioning it by name? | | |
| ▲ | sincerely 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's hardly a secret, you can go on r/trackers where people discuss private trackers for every media type | |
| ▲ | fragmede a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some people just don't know when to shut the hell up. |
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| ▲ | selectodude a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At the end of the day it feels like the private trackers are such a nightmare to get invited to and maintain ratio at it’s just not worth the effort. I want this torrent though. It would be fun to stand up a NAS for this. | | |
| ▲ | some-guy 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The private trackers are just as much about the community as they are about the content they host. Of course there are trade offs because communities can be very insular. I’ve noticed in the past 10 years or so private trackers have become less strict because the economics of ratios only works if either a) everyone is equally uploading new material and b) there are more and more signups. So now there is value in the amount of time you seed your content which lowers your “required” ratio. |
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| ▲ | udev4096 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | tclancy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, it was a great place. I have a paid Spotify account but finally got an ancient hard drive onto my network for all sorts of stuff Spotify doesn’t or can’t have (e.g., Coldcut: 70 Minutes of Madness). | |
| ▲ | BoingBoomTschak 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which also means almost always limited to the latest, almost always crappy (or blind to the original ambiance) remaster! One of the main reasons why I don't bother with streaming, really. (And because they lack much obscure stuff and I don't like being dependent on the Internet and a renter's whims for something as essential as music, I guess) | | |
| ▲ | TonyTrapp 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | This, a thousand times this. I have gone back to collecting CDs because it's often the only remaining way (short of pircay) to get original masters of many artists. Even lossless download stores like Qobuz don't have them. |
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| ▲ | rckclmbr a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can’t talk about what.cd without talking about its precursor OiNks Pink Palace. Even Trent Reznor was public about what an amazing place it was. Music aside, the community existing just for the shared love of music and not for any other kind of monetary or influencer gain is what set it apart. We just don’t have those kinds of communities for music online anymore |
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| ▲ | chrneu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | >We just don’t have those kinds of communities for music online anymore They're still kind of around, but yeah, everything is very much on it's way out in the music scene, at least in terms of that late 90s early 00s culture. Or has been until recently. There is a renewed interest in self-hosting and "offline" style music collections. It sucks too. The way folks discover music is important. The convenience of streaming has lead to some interesting outcomes. When self-hosting music comes up this is always one of the top questions people have: How do you find new music? The answer isn't that hard and really hasn't changed much. People just don't want to spend any time or effort doing it. Music stores still exist, they're amazing. Lots of 2nd hand stores carry vinyl and CDs now, which can give you great ideas for new music. There are self-hosted AI solutions and tools. Last.fm and Scrobbling are still very much around. My scrobble history is so insanely useful. There are music discords. Friends. Asking people what they're listening to in public. Live shows with unique openers(I once went to a Ben Kweller show with 4 opening bands, I still listen to 3 of them.) | |
| ▲ | SSLy a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, WCD has two healthy replacements, plus slsk | | |
| ▲ | tclancy a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I love that SoulSeek still exists in some format. My path was Napster (made me get cable Internet and a cd burner) > AudioGalaxy (learned how to path things on routers so I could download music to home from work) > SoulSeek. Plus it had some useful chat and people who cared about sound quality and metadata. | |
| ▲ | platevoltage a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Soulseek has to be the best kept secret on the internet. Even people my age who grew up with things like Napster, Limewire, and even soulseek, don’t know that it still exists. | | |
| ▲ | lukaslalinsky 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, I was looking for some rare album I had in the past, and was shocked to realize that Soulseek is still active. | |
| ▲ | ZeWaka a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The amount of extremely obscure music on there is crazy, stuff that exists nowhere else in the internet except maybe google drive links. |
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| ▲ | rldjbpin 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| about the scale, the same album in the tracker had several submissions, for dedicated format and regional editions. while one can compare in terms of number of tracks, the quality used to be in another level altogether. from the article: > The quality is the original OGG Vorbis at 160kbit/s. meanwhile the tracker had 16/24-bit flac rips of vinyl, with decent quality control where the track's metadata was verified for any artifacts. for the given quality, one could rip youtube music (maybe not as easily anymore) and achieve a larger scale in a similar quality level. now if hypothetically tidal had all the music of the world and was accessible this way, then it would be a comparable resource. insane regardless. |
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| ▲ | laughingcurve 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wow, I have not thought about OiNK in ages... great memories! OiNK and WhatCD did something very special for the musical community |
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| ▲ | layer8 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That being sad, I have a lot of non-mainstream tracks in my playlists on YouTube Music that have YouTube comments along the line of “I wish this was available on Spotify :’(“. I bet the same goes for What.CD. So there’s some way to go for a comprehensive music archive. |
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| ▲ | WadeGrimridge 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| anna's rip has ~86m tracks, not ~186. ~186m is metadata, specifically ISRCs. |
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| ▲ | b8 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Redacted, their replacement has more records then they had now. |
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| ▲ | SSLy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, what.cd counted any album as one torrent. While current spotify has also podcasts and AI slop. |
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