We have world-leading criminality rates. Given that, the only alternatives are world-leading incarceration, or just letting criminals roam around making law-abiders' lives worse.

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ben_w a day ago | parent | next [-]

There's a lot of different ways to measure crime, making it hard to compare between nations.

The people who try anyway, mostly put the USA as fairly middling, nothing special either way.

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dragonwriter a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We have world-leading criminality rates.

That's what happens when you use criminalization and penal slavery to replace chattel slavery.

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loeg a day ago | parent [-]

Progressive love to repeat this, but it doesn't make it true.

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		> Progressive love to repeat this, but it doesn't make it true. Conservatives love to deny this, but it doesn't make it false. That criminalization was an immediate, direct substitute for chattel slavery is extensively documented, and that the patterns of criminalization used for that purpose became culturally entrenched and spread (even where the particular practices on top of that served to make it a replacement for chattel slavery, like convict leasing, generally did not in their original form beyond the South, though commercial exploitation of coerced prison labor did become a widespread national phenomenon, even though there has been some winding back in some jurisdictions of that particular practice in recent years.)

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wredcoll a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> We have world-leading criminality rates. Given that, the only alternatives are world-leading incarceration, or just letting criminals roam around making law-abiders' lives worse.

Somehow every part of this paragraph just keeps getting less correct.

America doesn't have "world-leading" criminality by literally any metric you care to choose.

Even if it did, also having world leading incarceration rates might make a rational, scientific type fellow wonder about how those could both be true!

Also, those are not in fact the only alternatives. It's not even difficult to think of more than those two. Have you even tried?