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xorcist 2 days ago

Pray tell, how much of, say, the latest Afghanistan war did the US pay and how much do their allies need to bear? The rebuilding of a whole country, the reinstatement of the Taliban regime, the destabilization of the region, and the still ongoing stream of refugees? The political aftermath of which is still felt in Europe.

Amezarak 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Europe could have simply denied entry to the refugees and avoided their entire refugee problem. It's especially silly to blame the US when most EU states strongly supported the downfall of Qaddafi and Assad.

ExoticPearTree 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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jeltz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does the US plan to pay for this wall?

avianlyric 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Building a wall and shooting on site anyone who crosses it is a very simple and effective method of keeping immigration in check.

Ah yes a wall, like that famously effective one that Trump built. Tell me has US managed to actually finish it yet?

saubeidl 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd argue the savages are the people shooting civilians.

alephnerd 2 days ago | parent [-]

The EU is so much more civilized by bribing Turkiye [0], Libya [1], Morocco, Mauritania, Tunisia [2], and other nations to shoot and/or indefinitely detain them for you guys instead.

Yet we as Americans are the savages.

European civil society needs to drop this charade of moralizing and being "rules based". The reality is EU policymakers are equally as mercurial and open to making deals with devils. The issue is a subset of you guys have a weird form of "white saviourship" and sense of exceptionalism.

Finally, a plurality of us Americans either never had or no longer have blood ties with Europe. As an Asian American who used to work om the Hill, I myself and my peers increasingly ignore or overlook Europe despite having went to college with a number of your up-and-coming decisionmakers. In 2025, the majority of us Americans are Latino, Black, Mixed, Asian, or multi-generational White American.

Any positive historical ties we had with Europe (in reality, a fluke from 1939-2011) was because of 1.5 gen Central and Eastern European immigrants turned NatSec Advisers like Kissinger (German), Albright (Czech), and Brzezinski (Polish). From a soft power perspective, when we don't look inward we increasingly look to Latin America or Asia. And economically as well - our total trade with all of Europe is barely $975B compared to $1.5T with all of the Americas and around $2-2.5T with Asia.

[0] - https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/03/the-eu-turkey...

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/05/eu-dea...

[2] - https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-06-01/mass-arr...

saubeidl 2 days ago | parent [-]

What are you talking about? Are you guys shooting people at the border?

I was reacting to the guy above, not Americans.

alephnerd 2 days ago | parent [-]

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