Aren't we are talking about relative innovation?

Of course the US is still innovative - I think the question is whether countries like China are simply copying or now out innovating in some areas.

Their appears to be a lack of acknowledgement in the US about the current rate of innovation coming out of China these days - the days of only cheap knock-offs ( as with Japan before them ) is largely over.

In the areas I know - I see increasingly impressive innovation coming out of China right now.

The way the US is treating China right now is counter productive in my view. The biggest risk isn't the Chinese stealing US innovation - the biggest risk is the US cutting itself off from a key source of new ideas.

In my view the next Biontech is more likely to come from China than Germany.

I don't know why the US is treating it as a zero-sum game.