| ▲ | snapcaster 4 hours ago | |||||||
I don't disagree with you on the conclusion, but man I just wish people stopped believing in fairy tales about countries like this. America does it too. Why are people so allergic to materialism? I'm not saying culture is irrelevant but saying china's success is due to "Chinese way of thinking" or america was dominant because of the "american dream" is an adult believing santa-tier take. Material conditions shape history | ||||||||
| ▲ | zhengyi13 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
>Why are people so allergic to materialism? At the risk of starting a fight... I would point at America's religious history, and the continuing threads of that today that increasingly see scientific/materialist thought as a direct threat to their ideas of how a society ought to be organized. | ||||||||
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| ▲ | heavyset_go 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
To speak to this importance, it wasn't long ago that the sentiment I heard about the country was that it isn't, or wouldn't be, ascendant due to their "culture". It's the Schrodinger's cat of cultures. Or maybe generalities about culture aren't to explain for economic and political velocity. | ||||||||
| ▲ | maxsilver 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
> I'm not saying culture is irrelevant but saying china's success is due to "Chinese way of thinking" or america was dominant because of the "american dream" is an adult believing santa-tier take. I don't know that it's a fairy tale. Certainly, it helps nations project more influence than they really have. But it's not nothing, commonly-shared philosophy is useful. It matters, because it differs, and that impacts things. (as an American) America definitely does not share this philosophy. The idea that "Corruption and fraud can slow China’s progress, but they will not affect the final outcome." is not something most Americans would ever say about America as we struggle with mostly-unchecked corruption and fraud, and have zero enforcement over the consequences of such. It is absolutely effecting the final outcomes of the US, and in a massively negative way. > Material conditions shape history Sure, but not just material conditions. "Hope for the future" plays a bigger role than many people give it credit for. | ||||||||
| ▲ | nathias 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
ideologies are part of the material conditions | ||||||||