But software engineering as a concept still isn't writing code. I'm a bit of a stickler about it as somebody who has an engineering degree, but when programmers with a CS degree say they're a software engineer, they're not. Software engineering as far as I understand it from the little bit I did in school is actually engineering. Requirements analysis, breaking down the problem, following methodology, etc. It's not just that they're writing somewhere.

So really there should be 3 fields of study: 1. The theory - computer science 2. How to apply the theory - software engineering 3. How to turn those designs into reality - programmers

It's like the mech engineering side. You have materials science and stuff, then mechanical engineers, then machinists.